# How is Trump not guilty of manslaughter? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 9, 2023, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780 "2023-05-09T01:28:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780/61 "2023-05-10T03:30:33Z")
Yeah. Just like “other people’s money”, he spent other people’s lives. ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780/62 "2023-05-10T04:28:12Z")
I was thinking Felony Murder. 6 counts. It was 6 who died from the failed putsch? ---
**Author:** ![El\_DeLuxo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_deluxo/32/9043_2.png) [@El\_DeLuxo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_DeLuxo)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780/63 "2023-05-10T15:44:20Z")
Trump might’ve stirred the group up, but every one of those Capitol-invading individuals chose to be there and to do what they did. The person who does a bad deed is the one who did it, and is responsible for her or his own actions. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780/64 "2023-05-10T16:14:51Z")
Conspiracy is probably not the model you want, though. Solicitation and incitement are a slightly different offense to conspiracy in most jurisdictions. In your second scenario, “insist[ing] that it would be justice if people marched to the bank and forced them to give back their ill-gotten gains” sounds an awful lot like solicitation or incitement to me. There are different formulations in different jurisdictions about what kinds of crimes qualify, and how the solicitation is treated procedurally, but whereas with conspiracy you have taken steps in furtherance of the crime itself, with solicitation or incitement you’re just trying to persuade someone else to do a crime. They often don’t even have to do it, and you don’t have to help them do it in any way, you just have to want them to do it, and try to get them to do it, and that can be criminal behavior. Just to pick two jurisdictions out of a hat, under federal law, solicitation is when someone > with intent that another person engage in conduct constituting a felony that has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against property or against the person of another in violation of the laws of the United States, and under circumstances strongly corroborative of that intent, solicits, commands, induces, or otherwise endeavors to persuade such other person to engage in such conduct so solicitation of robbing a bank under federal jurisdiction sounds like a decent case to me. In Washington DC, > In prosecutions for any criminal offense all persons advising, inciting, or conniving at the offense, or aiding or abetting the principal offender, shall be charged as principals so if you incited someone to rob the bank, you could be charged with actual bank robbery in DC. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780/65 "2023-05-10T19:21:11Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > so if you incited someone to rob the bank, you could be charged with actual bank robbery in DC. Maybe that’s something Jack Smith is looking into. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780/66 "2023-05-10T20:09:57Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Could he have anticipated that Ashli Babbitt would crawl through a broken window and despite repeated warnings continue onward until she was shot by a Capitol Police officer? Not sure of he was ever asked about her, but I would feel pretty certain his opinion was something like ‘That loser? She did it all herself, I had nothing to do with it, she was just a dumb broad.’ ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780/67 "2023-05-10T20:12:37Z")
And she wasn’t his type, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780/68 "2023-05-10T20:27:25Z")
> [@El\_DeLuxo](#): > > Trump might’ve stirred the group up, but every one of those Capitol-invading individuals chose to be there and to do what they did. The person who does a bad deed is the one who did it, and is responsible for her or his own actions. However, nobody would had bother to be there if Trump would had accepted defeat and congratulated the winner, and offered to help the new president… As it was usually done. > **[Gore concedes presidential race after the fight of his life](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/dec/14/uselections2000.usa12)** > > Democrat Al Gore surrendered his battle for the White House, accepting Republican George W Bush as the 43rd president of the United States. "I accept the finality of this outcome," the vice president said. > “Now the US Supreme Court has spoken. Let there be no doubt,” Gore said. “While I strongly disagree with the court’s position, I accept it.” > > **He called for his supporters to unite behind his Republican rival Bush. “We close ranks when the contest is done,” Gore said.** > > **“While we yet hold - and do not yield - our opposing beliefs, there is a higher duty than the one we owe to political party. This is America and we put country before party,” Gore said. “We will stand together behind our new president.”** ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2023, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780/69 "2023-05-11T18:51:47Z")
I should add: As it was usually done. **Even after a contested and controversial election.** ---
**Author:** ![El\_DeLuxo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_deluxo/32/9043_2.png) [@El\_DeLuxo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_DeLuxo)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780/70 "2023-05-12T06:15:47Z")
Yeah, but all the invaders were individuals who chose to do what they did. Nobody made any of them do what they did, except themselves. Any of them including the one who was killed could’ve said to him- or herself, “Fuck this for a game oif soldiers, I’m going to go home and enjoy a calzone”, and gone home to enjoy a calzone, but they didn’t. Idon’t like or respect Trump (or any other president for that matter), either, but he didn’t make anyone do jackshit, it was their own decisions and their actions. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780/71 "2023-05-12T09:51:03Z")
Uh, what that reply gets wrong is that it should not be a “but”, it should be an “and”. Just punishing the low level gangsters and leaving the crime boss off the hook, is not a good way to deal with crime and corruption. **And** , nowhere do I propose that the grunts should be let go just because they “followed orders”. BTW, in context you are also implying hard that past presidents or candidates that advised their followers to accept defeat and unite behind the new president don’t deserve any respect, that is a very stupid thing to say for reasons that should be obvious by now. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780/72 "2023-07-20T07:39:32Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I just stick with “Loser Donald”, because it’s the kind of nickname he’d give someone he doesn’t like, and it combines two of his major triggers - being called by his first name, and being thought of as a loser. Wow. He and I actually agree on something. If my name were Donald, I’d rather be called Cheeto-head, the Former Guy, or pretty much anything else. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780/73 "2023-07-20T08:20:48Z")
Perhaps it will eventually appear on Urban Dictionary in the form “loserdon”, defined as the most pathetic person you can imagine. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780/74 "2023-07-20T12:24:13Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > > [@Smapti](#): > > > > I just stick with “Loser Donald”, because it’s the kind of nickname he’d give someone he doesn’t like, and it combines two of his major triggers - being called by his first name, and being thought of as a loser. > > Wow. He and I actually agree on something. If my name were Donald, I’d rather be called Cheeto-head, the Former Guy, or pretty much anything else. Howsabout _America-hating fuckstick_? ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780/75 "2024-09-20T04:53:31Z")
Frankly, I think the charge should be Felony Murder (2nd degree). One count for every person who died on Jan 6 at the Capitol, regardless of which side they were on. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780/76 "2024-09-20T05:32:55Z")
Not to mention a murder charge against him for every single person who died due to his willful incompetence in relation to the pandemic. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780/77 "2024-09-20T14:09:18Z")
There is actual evidence of real crimes that Trump has committed, crimes that should land him in prison for the rest of his life if our justice system really did treat everyone equally as it is supposed to. Lamenting that he isn’t being convicted of crimes that there’s no evidence he committed is just an exercise in frustration. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780/78 "2024-09-20T15:14:47Z")
Let me add, if we want to make stuff up, I’m in favor of convicting Trump of deliberately trying to destroy democracy in the country, and sentence him to a lifetime of public service. And that public service will consist of waking up early every morning, having a bucket of honey dumped on him followed by a bag of yellow feathers. Then make him pick up trash along the side of a busy roadway for 8 hours, with just one hamberder break for a half hour in the middle of it. (No ketchup though.) He will make himself useful by cleaning up the road, and also be something people can point and laugh at as they drive past. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780/79 "2024-09-20T16:29:14Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Not to mention a murder charge against him for every single person who died due to his willful incompetence in relation to the pandemic. That’s a point that I wish the Harris campaign would emphasize more. Trump’s stupidity and denial put millions of people’s lives at risk, and many of them perished. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-trump-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/983780.md?page=3)