# how Khristian can you get? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 7, 2005, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610 "2005-01-07T18:07:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610/1 "2005-01-07T18:07:53Z")
Well, someone somewhere suggested that Khristian (if i am spelling it right) was a good way to refure to Christians who don’t act like it. Rather than tainting real Christians…well, I like the idea. I think it’s a neologism right up there with “santorum”. But on to my actually pitting…NO, NUKING MECCA IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. God, the idea of such a thought coming from some admittely immoral bastard…Stalin maybe…is sick enough. Real politick and all (never mind for the moment that bombing Mecca would be the opposit of realpolitick…would be sucide). But the thought of it coming from someone who _professes_ the Christian faith. Which I thought has something to do with beliveing we are all God’s children. All. But I just read a thread where the response to the idea that the US is contemplating vapourizing Mecca was: “That would be cool” That would be cool. My god. Other post in the thread (in repsonse to people pointing out the this would be an insane thing for us to do) were “Well if they attack us we can repsond…we’re more powerful than they are” Right. At the cost of how many lives and how much suffering? But it’s ok if we come out on top. Very Chrisitian. These people scare me. That’s all a wanted to say. Oh wait. It’s the Pit. these people fucking scare me. ---
**Author:** ![5\_time\_champ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/278dde/32.png) [@5\_time\_champ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5_time_champ)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610/2 "2005-01-07T18:20:24Z")
obligatory link request ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610/3 "2005-01-07T18:22:14Z")
Seconded. I do like the neologism, though. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610/4 "2005-01-07T18:23:05Z")
> [@betenoir](#): > > These people scare me. That’s all a wanted to say. > > Oh wait. It’s the Pit. these people fucking scare me. If it’s of any consolation, those thinking it would be a cool idea are not, nor will they probably ever be, in a position wherein that mindset would have any bearing on the likelihood of Mecca to be nuked. [sub]Is that sentence as ugly as I think it is?[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610/5 "2005-01-07T18:32:11Z")
> [@iampunha](#): > > If it’s of any consolation, those thinking it would be a cool idea are not, nor will they probably ever be, in a position wherein that mindset would have any bearing on the likelihood of Mecca to be nuked. > > [sub]Is that sentence as ugly as I think it is?[/sub] I agree. I do in fact take consolation that not even Bush (oh sorry are my prejudcesing showing :)) could really contemplate such an idea seriously. Just depresses me that some people could think it might be a good idea. And partiulary people who say they have a moral structure. That’s what scares me. And yes I like the neologism…I didn’t come up with it, but i want to promote it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610/6 "2005-01-07T18:32:37Z")
In no time at all there will be people that adopt the identity of Khristian, and will get all up in arms and consider it an insult when you refer to the bad Khristians. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610/7 "2005-01-07T18:36:18Z")
> [@iampunha](#): > > If it’s of any consolation, those thinking it would be a cool idea are not, nor will they probably ever be, in a position wherein that mindset would have any bearing on the likelihood of Mecca to be nuked.[/sub] Well, except last November. ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610/8 "2005-01-07T18:43:57Z")
> [@Epimetheus](#): > > In no time at all there will be people that adopt the identity of Khristian, and will get all up in arms and consider it an insult when you refer to the bad Khristians. I think that’s the idea. To insult Kristians (Krazies), rather then the real Christians. ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610/9 "2005-01-07T18:46:42Z")
Oh Khrist. Ignore what I’ve said. I think I’ve misread what you’ve written, **Epimetheus**. ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610/10 "2005-01-07T18:49:27Z")
Oh and…i should provide a link. But I’m leery of the the board war think. Much as I would like to sick you on the a straighten them out 😃 Hmmmm…I was so close to writing “leering of the borad war”. Maybe that’s closer 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610/11 "2005-01-07T18:51:38Z")
> [@ParentalAdvisory](#): > > I think that’s the idea. To insult Kristians (Krazies), rather then the real Christians. That’s exactly the point. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610/12 "2005-01-07T18:52:53Z")
> [@](#): > > Oh and…i should provide a link. But I’m leery of the the board war think. If the notion was not posted on the SDMB, then refraining from posting a link is a Very Good Idea. Thank you ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610/13 "2005-01-07T19:06:18Z")
> [@betenoir](#): > > I do in fact take consolation that not even Bush … could really contemplate such an idea seriously. [url+http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-07-06-nuclear-usat\_x.htm"]Are you sure? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610/14 "2005-01-07T19:13:56Z")
Originally Posted by ParentalAdvisory I think that’s the idea. To insult Kristians (Krazies), rather then the real Christians. > [@betenoir](#): > > That’s exactly the point. And how are we to tell the “real” Christians from the other kind? If someone tells you he is a follower of Christ how can you posibly refute him? Are Christ’s teachings not open to interpretation? I am not a Christian, but I would take offense at someone who presumed to judge whether my faith was “real” or not. Misguided, perhaps, for that is a matter of opinion. But real? You would gave absolutely no way of knowing such a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Tracy\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@Tracy\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tracy_Lord)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610/15 "2005-01-07T19:21:13Z")
> [@trandallt](#): > > If someone tells you he is a follower of Christ how can you posibly refute him? If he/she thinks bombing Mecca would be “cool” and a good thing? They’re not a follower of Christ. Christ taught love, not hate. That’s how you tell. > [@trandallt](#): > > Are Christ’s teachings not open to interpretation? To a degree, sure. To the degree that some fundies take it to (homophobia, hate, violence, hate, hate, hate…), no. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610/16 "2005-01-07T19:23:48Z")
> [@Tracy Lord](#): > > If he/she thinks bombing Mecca would be “cool” and a good thing? They’re not a follower of Christ. Christ taught love, not hate. That’s how you tell. > > To a degree, sure. To the degree that some fundies take it to (homophobia, hate, violence, hate, hate, hate…), no. President Bush thought that bombing Baghdad was a good thing. Is he a Kristian or a Christian? ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610/17 "2005-01-07T19:35:15Z")
Nah, just an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Orbifold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610/18 "2005-01-07T19:37:25Z")
> [@trandallt](#): > > Originally Posted by ParentalAdvisory > And how are we to tell the “real” Christians from the other kind? If someone tells you he is a follower of Christ how can you posibly refute him? Are Christ’s teachings not open to interpretation? Just because a line is fuzzy doesn’t mean that some things don’t lie firmly on the far side of that line. As an example, I would point to [Michael Savage’s](http://mediamatters.org/items/200501050006) comments on the recent tsunami: > [@](#): > > You could argue, maybe this is God’s hand, because some of their brethren struck Christian America. Maybe God speaks the truth but waits. Seeks the truth and waits. I don’t know. You could argue: God struck them. Now, I don’t argue that because I’m not a theologian. > […] > We shouldn’t be spending a nickel on this, as far as I’m concerned. … I don’t want one nickel of my money going over there. … I am sick of being bled to death by every damn incident on the earth. I defy anyone to defend this as anything remotely resembling the teachings of Christ, no matter how much you interpret Christ’s words. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610/19 "2005-01-07T19:58:47Z")
> [@Orbifold](#): > > Just because a line is fuzzy doesn’t mean that some things don’t lie firmly on the far side of that line. > > As an example, I would point to [Michael Savage’s](http://mediamatters.org/items/200501050006) comments on the recent tsunami: > > I defy anyone to defend this as anything remotely resembling the teachings of Christ, no matter how much you interpret Christ’s words. Well I am completely unqualified to interpret Christ’s words in any way at all. My objection is this statement– _Originally Posted by ParentalAdvisory I think that’s the idea. To insult Kristians (Krazies), rather then the real Christians._ If a person claims to be a believer in Christ, what possible mechanism exists to determine the truth of that statement? Is it required that every Christian be like Christ in every possible way? Can a Christian be like Christ in some ways and not in others? My point is that professing a belief in Christ is\* by definition \* the business of the one making the claim and no one else. \*\*Tracy Lord \*\* believes that homophobia is indicative of a false Christian. The Catholic church has several policies that could be interpreted as homophobic. Are Catholics false Christians? ---
**Author:** ![Orbifold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610/20 "2005-01-07T20:17:13Z")
> [@trandallt](#): > > My point is that professing a belief in Christ is\* by definition \* the business of the one making the claim and no one else. It’s not just a matter of belief. Christ also left some instructions. “Love thy neighbour”, that kind of thing. If someone professes belief in Christ but can’t even be bothered to _try_ to follow Christ’s teachings…like the charming Mr. Savage and his apparent rejection of even the pretense of Christian charity…then perhaps they don’t deserve the label “Christian”. I’m certainly going to have no qualms not applying that label to them, comfortable as I am that I have objective reasons not to do so. I freely admit it’s an imperfect metric. But Christianity is more than just belief, it’s a standard of action. As I said, it’s a fuzzy line but some things are firmly on the other side of it. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-khristian-can-you-get/283610.md?page=2)