# How long before Trump gets shot? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 12, 2016, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749 "2016-03-12T17:06:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749/201 "2016-03-15T16:33:37Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > He won’t get shot. If Obama didn’t get shot, neither will Trump. Obama’s detractors are, as a whole, far more dangerous than Trump’s detractors. President Joe Biden prevented anyone from assassinating Obama. If some asshole decides to assassinate Trump, some asshole will decide to assassinate Hillary. It will be a vicious circle. Bernie will become President. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749/202 "2016-03-15T20:14:09Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Yeah, I’m a rebel that way. > > PS. you still haven’t got a fucking clue about what what means and the difference it makes. You aren’t entitled to an audience and if someone can legally drown out your voice that’s tough. Now no one is saying you can’t control private or leased property and boot the disrupted out. But the concept of free speech doesn’t encompass an audience. Now, I doubt the people arguing this concept from the left actually support the concept which is why you see the crying from the left about Citizens United. But that’s just another example of “liberal hypocrisy.” ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749/203 "2016-03-15T20:15:55Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Shouting “fire” in a crowded theatre? That’s pretty much what Trump is doing in his ongoing promotion of fear, hatred and violence. I hope he does not get shot, just as I hope the no one else is shot as a result of his instigation. That’s straight up ludicrous. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749/204 "2016-03-15T20:16:11Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > “It seems the [media] aren’t broadcasting footage of the debris being thrown across Harrison by Sanders/Hillary supporters at Trump fans,” the officer wrote shortly after the canceled Trump event. > > The officer, who posed anonymously on the Second City Cop blog, also noted the media didn’t report that protesters were running through parking lots and breaking windows of cars with Trump stickers on them, or that the department called out emergency Incident Teams to cope with the anti-Trump riot at the University of Illinois in Chicago. > > [http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/14/chicago-cop-blog-says-that-protests-at-weekend-trump-rally-far-worse-than-reported/](http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/14/chicago-cop-blog-says-that-protests-at-weekend-trump-rally-far-worse-than-reported/) Is this a story along the lines of thousands of NJ Muslims cheering on 9/11? ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749/205 "2016-03-15T20:24:06Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > President Joe Biden prevented anyone from assassinating Obama. > > If some asshole decides to assassinate Trump, some asshole will decide to assassinate Hillary. It will be a vicious circle. > > Bernie will become President. Nah, Biden would’ve been a fine president. (Unless I’m misunderstanding what you’re trying to say. I don’t think many anti-Obama folk were even more anti-Biden for this to enter their thinking.) I said similar to what you just did regarding Bush and Cheney. As much as Bush addled me, Cheney downright frightened me. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749/206 "2016-03-15T20:29:04Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > President Joe Biden prevented anyone from assassinating Obama. I find it hard to believe there was ever a single would-be Obama assassin who would **not** have liked Biden better as POTUS, for . . . certain reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749/207 "2016-03-15T22:41:25Z")
Trump’s life is not at risk, for if he is shot, the holes in him would erupt will limitless festering puss while he continues to spew the verbal equivalent from his mouth. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749/208 "2016-03-16T14:44:04Z")
Prediction: there will not be a contested convention. Trump has 646 delegates, according to RCP, out of 1237 to win. There are 11 winner-take-all contests coming up, according to my count, which award 597 delegates. That’s 1243, if he he wins them. Now maybe Katich will win a state besides Ohio. He hasn’t yet, but the past doesn’t always predict the future. Maybe Cruz will win a winner-take-all state like California or NJ. That seems unlikely, however. As of now, he appears to have won 0 states, last night. Having said that, there are a number of proportional states, as well. Trump will certainly pick up delegates from those states. Something fundamental will have to change to prevent Trump from winning. Unfortunately, his support seems to be growing, not shrinking. Going forward, I expect to see more GOP politicians switching to Trump. And some celebrity journalists will be looking to get on his good side as well: Trump controls access to Trump, and the Trump interview is media gold. Update: RCP is now saying Trump has 661 delegates. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749/209 "2016-03-16T15:58:43Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > Prediction: there will not be a contested convention. > > Trump has 646 delegates, according to RCP, out of 1237 to win. There are 11 winner-take-all contests coming up, according to my count, which award 597 delegates. That’s 1243, if he he wins them. > > Now maybe Katich will win a state besides Ohio. He hasn’t yet, but the past doesn’t always predict the future. > > Maybe Cruz will win a winner-take-all state like California or NJ. That seems unlikely, however. As of now, he appears to have won 0 states, last night. > > Having said that, there are a number of proportional states, as well. Trump will certainly pick up delegates from those states. > > Something fundamental will have to change to prevent Trump from winning. Unfortunately, his support seems to be growing, not shrinking. > > Going forward, I expect to see more GOP politicians switching to Trump. And some celebrity journalists will be looking to get on his good side as well: Trump controls access to Trump, and the Trump interview is media gold. > > Update: RCP is now saying Trump has 661 delegates. Did you mean to put this in the Trump campaign thread? Or does this have something to do with whether he’ll get shot? I can make it work. If he is the nominee, I do think that increases the chance that he’ll be shot. Anything that gets him closer to winning makes people more willing to violate their personal morals for what they believe to be the greater good. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749/210 "2016-03-16T17:03:23Z")
> [@andros](#): > > You’re quite right, and my apologies for being unclear. > > What you don’t have is a right to listen to any speech without interruption. If you choose to listen to a street preacher, you also get to listen to his hecklers. If you choose to listen to a protest, you also get to listen to the counter-protest. > > There is nothing sacred about your speech, apart from your right to express it. No one has to hear it. And the same goes for Donald Trump. “Wanting to hear it” does not confer any special privileges. Wanting to hear it doesn’t confer a special _legal_ privilege, but control over a venue does. That’s why protestors are escorted from Trump events - and Cruz events, and and others’ - and why you might get escorted from a movie theater for making too much noise - even if you bought a ticket. > [@](#): > > Yes, you always have the right to walk away. But you don’t get a special right to only hear what you wish to hear because someone organized a rally to say what you want them to say Trump supporters don’t have to walk away. It’s people who try to disrupt an event who - usually - have to walk away. > [@](#): > > As **Miller** points out, that is what we have. Life is a shouting match, usually metaphorical. Miller’s wrong. It’s not who shouts loudest who wins; its who’s most persuasive. Shutting down a candidate’s speech might feel like a moral victory - if that’s your goal. But unless there’s something persuasive about it, it accomplishes nothing. And in some cases - I would argue - it’s counter-productive. > [@](#): > > Not a non sequitur at all. I can shout all I want _even if you can hear me_. If I’m standing on public property in front of your house, and not breaking any noise (or other) laws, the police won’t do a damn thing. I get to talk loudly next to you on the airplane and on the bus. I get to share my political opinion. Don’t like it, walk away. You might want to re-examine your examples. Try shouting on an airplane, and see what happens. > [@](#): > > No one stopped Trump from giving a speech. He was free to keep talking. Some people set out to shut down a Trump speech, and in fact the speech was cancelled. Those people people thought they succeeded. They celebrated their victory. But maybe they’re wrong. Trump said he’d be back. So maybe they only succeeded in postponing it. On the other hand, I don’t think he’s going back. Bigger picture: did they _persuade_ anybody of anything? I think they did, but it isn’t what they think. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749/211 "2016-03-16T17:08:43Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > Miller’s wrong. It’s not who shouts loudest who wins; its who’s most persuasive. > > Shutting down a candidate’s speech might feel like a moral victory - if that’s your goal. But unless there’s something persuasive about it, it accomplishes nothing. And in some cases - I would argue - it’s counter-productive. Yep. I’m shocked at the number of people here who seem to think that he who yells the loudest is any way to have any kind of logical discussion. Lets say I had the option to mod peoples original posts here. Where I could delete or modify what they said the first time they said it. Hey, if I am a faster typer, button clicker than you…well it sucks to be you. Folks here would be shitting bricks if that was allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749/212 "2016-03-17T23:12:15Z")
Yeah, you’re right. That would be just terrible. It’s a good thing you don’t actually have such power. You do, however, have the power to completely misinterpret what others have said. The same power that we all have. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749/213 "2016-03-18T22:37:59Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Yep. > > I’m shocked at the number of people here who seem to think that he who yells the loudest is any way to have any kind of logical discussion. > > Lets say I had the option to mod peoples original posts here. Where I could delete or modify what they said the first time they said it. > > Hey, if I am a faster typer, button clicker than you…well it sucks to be you. > > Folks here would be shitting bricks if that was allowed. I’ve considered myself a liberal all my life. But I have to confess things like [this](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/16/at-the-university-of-arizona-freedom-of-thought-is-on-life-support.html) scare me. I may have to resort to calling myself a left-behind liberal. On a related note, [this](http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/did-trump-protest-tactics-backfire/) article argues the Chicago operation was not a success: > [@](#): > > Willie Geist, a cohost of “Morning Joe,” reported on one poll that said 88 percent of those surveyed said that Mr. Trump had actually been helped by the antics of the anti-Trump demonstrators. > > Then Joe Scarborough reported that Mr. Trump had gone up six points in one poll in Florida since the protests. > > It is significant to note that no conservatives have protested in such childish ways or done anything to force the cancellation of Clinton or Sanders rallies. > > Edward Luce, the top U.S. correspondent for Britain’s Financial Times, wrote a column late last year entitled “The Rise of Liberal Intolerance in America.” > > He wrote: “Yet the revival of political correctness on US campuses — and the increasingly shrill tone of much of the intellectual left — tells another story. Instead of championing free speech, the left is trying to shut it down. In the name of diversity, it demands conformity. At stake is the character of US democracy.” ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749/214 "2016-03-18T22:56:02Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > I’ve considered myself a liberal all my life. But I have to confess things like [this](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/16/at-the-university-of-arizona-freedom-of-thought-is-on-life-support.html) scare me. ? A bunch of state university students issuing [a list of demands](https://drive.google.com/a/union.edu/file/d/0B_xTx1tFtfcibWRROUVwNzhYRFZyQ2lsQWFDNTc5MFN5b2tj/view) to university administration, many of which are impractical and/or absurd and some of which are perfectly reasonable (e.g., using proper signage on non-gendered restrooms), scares you? You scare easy, it appears. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749/215 "2016-03-20T00:12:26Z")
Has a political assassination ever been crowdfunded? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749/216 "2016-03-20T00:40:51Z")
I think there’s a new rule about using smileys (like so :)) to indicate when one jests. 😃 Crowd-funding as we now know it would seem to be an easy enough mechanism to check for such efforts. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![iLemming](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90db22/32.png) [@iLemming](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iLemming)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749/217 "2016-03-20T13:11:09Z")
I’d say he’d have to become a legitimate chance for the presidency - which isn’t remotely likely, unless Hillary slips up very badly (…like, a ‘sex tape’ level slip) - before he’d be taken out; either by a ‘Lee Harvey Oswald’ or _[insert favourite brand of shadowy conspiracy clique]_. Proportionally speaking, given Drumpf has openly declared he wants to kill the families of enemy combatants and torture the leftovers, methinks he’d be in for a lot worse than a mere bullet, were he to be targeted… proportionally speaking. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749/218 "2016-03-20T21:25:45Z")
Conservatives talk about reducing freedom of speech on college campuses all the time. Heck, you’re doing it now, **LinusK**. How dare they be able to make their demands? It’s true they haven’t tried to disrupt Bernie rallies, but Sanders doesn’t have any chance to win. And he hasn’t championed for bigotry and violence. Sanders is liberal. But Trump is not conservative, and no one is trying to shut him up because they’re liberal. And if you really care about freedom of speech, you need to remember there’s only one candidate who has talked about reducing it, and that’s Trump. And his followers seem to be okay with that. Trump wants to increase libel laws so you can’t say anything bad about him: that’s destroying freedom of the press. And he said that to cheers. So stop trying this freedom of speech bludgeon. It has no relevance. ---
**Author:** ![Nema98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d2c977/32.png) [@Nema98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nema98)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2016, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749/219 "2016-03-22T03:08:32Z")
Anyone who wants Trump shot is a disgusting human being. I don’t care how offended you are, but any scum who attempts to kill Trump as a candidate or President, should be locked up for the rest of their life. Not to mention one has to be a plucking moron to get themselves thrown in prison for life. Protest Trump if you like, but if you get violent and murderous, then you should get spend life like John Hinckley and or that deluded woman who tried to shoot Gerald Ford in Sacramento in 1975(thankfully a poor shot and he gun did not even fire). By the way this is not directed at OP or anyone in general. ---
**Author:** ![Nema98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d2c977/32.png) [@Nema98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nema98)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2016, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749/220 "2016-03-22T03:12:48Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > Prediction: there will not be a contested convention. > > Trump has 646 delegates, according to RCP, out of 1237 to win. There are 11 winner-take-all contests coming up, according to my count, which award 597 delegates. That’s 1243, if he he wins them. > > Now maybe Katich will win a state besides Ohio. He hasn’t yet, but the past doesn’t always predict the future. > > Maybe Cruz will win a winner-take-all state like California or NJ. That seems unlikely, however. As of now, he appears to have won 0 states, last night. > > Having said that, there are a number of proportional states, as well. Trump will certainly pick up delegates from those states. > > Something fundamental will have to change to prevent Trump from winning. Unfortunately, his support seems to be growing, not shrinking. > > Going forward, I expect to see more GOP politicians switching to Trump. And some celebrity journalists will be looking to get on his good side as well: Trump controls access to Trump, and the Trump interview is media gold. > > Update: RCP is now saying Trump has 661 delegates. Agree, and I have see estimates on Wikipedia that puts his delegates at 696, so pretty close to 700. By the way it is Kasich, not Katich. The Ohio Governor is delusional, Trump will bag it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-before-trump-gets-shot/748749.md?page=12)