# How long has Shagnasty been a dishonest dickhead? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 27, 2016, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276 "2016-02-27T07:54:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276/81 "2016-03-01T03:19:47Z")
> [@j666](#): > > Dear god in heaven, I hope I never piss you off. I hope I do. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276/82 "2016-03-01T03:58:13Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > Indigenous populations from the Indian subcontinent are not ‘black’ by definition in American terminology no matter how dark their skin is. I suppose they could have some African ancestry mixed in somewhere but, even if they do, it is not the predominate factor in determining their appearance. The people in that example would look much more out of place anywhere in Africa than they would on the streets of Mumbai. What about [Little Black Sambo\*?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Little_Black_Sambo) He was Indian, and he was black. Which was actually a really cool story, and it’s a shame about the title, because the naming of the characters is the worst thing about the book. Sambo himself was smart and tough and had bags of agency. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276/83 "2016-03-01T04:11:53Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > What about [Little Black Sambo\*?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Little_Black_Sambo) He was Indian, and he was black. > > Which was actually a really cool story, and it’s a shame about the title, because the naming of the characters is the worst thing about the book. Sambo himself was smart and tough and had bags of agency. I completely agree with you and that was something that I thought about. Little Black Sambo was written by a Scottish author that lived in India. There is nothing offensive about the story at all but the title led people to assume that it depicted stereotypes of people in Africa although dead giveaway should have been the fact that key parts of the story are about defeating a tiger even though tigers do not live naturally in Africa but they do in India. Most people still think Little Black Sambo is African and that is why it is effectively banned (not literally but you won’t find it in any bookstores) in the U.S. even though there is nothing wrong with it and it has nothing to do with American blacks at all. It is an excellent example of how racial perceptions can become hopelessly distorted and misinterpreted as they travel from one place to another. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276/84 "2016-03-01T04:27:15Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > What about [Little Black Sambo\*?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Little_Black_Sambo) He was Indian, and he was black. Trudat…but in the US illustrations were almost always pickaninny plantation bullshit (as in John R. Neill’s [1908 illustrations](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Little_Black_Sambo_and_tiger,_by_John_R_Neill.jpg) and UB Iwerk’s [1935 cartoon adaptation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfGvptL_TY)). Americans have long been good at seeing dark skin and making all sorts of shitheaded assumptions. > [@](#): > > Which was actually a really cool story, and it’s a shame about the title, because the naming of the characters is the worst thing about the book. Sambo himself was smart and tough and had bags of agency. Yes, it’s really a great story. But it’s got so much baggage thanks to pop culture depictions like the above examples that I even feel a little guilty about making tiger butter. But only a little. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276/85 "2016-03-01T04:52:35Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > I completely agree with you and that was something that I thought about. Little Black Sambo was written by a Scottish author that lived in India. There is nothing offensive about the story at all but the title led people to assume that it depicted stereotypes of people in Africa although dead giveaway should have been the fact that key parts of the story are about defeating a tiger even though tigers do not live naturally in Africa but they do in India. > > Most people still think Little Black Sambo is African and that is why it is effectively banned (not literally but you won’t find it in any bookstores) in the U.S. even though there is nothing wrong with it and it has nothing to do with American blacks at all. It is an excellent example of how racial perceptions can become hopelessly distorted and misinterpreted as they travel from one place to another. Sure. But to counter what you are pleased to call your point, [despite the fact that the text makes it clear that Sambo was Indian](https://www.gutenberg.org/files/17824/17824-h/17824-h.htm), US editions were happy to keep the title and text but add their own illustrations with a “piccaninny” version of Sambo. The publishers, then, didn’t see your quoted distinction\* between Indian and “black”, and were happy to use the term interchangeably. Which further means that you’re just making shit up. \* [QUOTE=Shagnasty] Indigenous populations from the Indian subcontinent are not ‘black’ by definition in American terminology no matter how dark their skin is. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276/86 "2016-03-01T04:57:15Z")
Also I have just noticed that that tiger has a fucking watch. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276/87 "2016-03-01T12:59:32Z")
Having read the previous 86 posts, I have come to a conclusion regarding the subject of this thread. to wit: **How long has Shagnasty been a dishonest dickhead?** And I will state with a moment of doubt that the defendent is not dishonest. Press on. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276/88 "2016-03-01T15:22:04Z")
\*\*Momnasty \*\*sounds like she’d be pretty famous, if she’s an author and lecturer who toured all 48 contiguous states and every continent except Antarctica. Is there a link to her book somewhere online? I’d like to see what kind of motivational support she used to raise her son. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276/89 "2016-03-01T17:22:17Z")
I wish we could tag people with little notes, visible only to us, so we can remember who’s who. Mods? Any chance of that happening? ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276/90 "2016-03-01T18:55:16Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > \*\*Momnasty \*\*sounds like she’d be pretty famous, if she’s an author and lecturer who toured all 48 contiguous states and every continent except Antarctica. Is there a link to her book somewhere online? I’d like to see what kind of motivational support she used to raise her son. He had a dear old black Mammy for that. ---
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276/91 "2016-03-02T03:33:09Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276/92 "2016-03-02T03:34:11Z")
> [@j666](#): > > Dear god in heaven, I hope I never piss you off. > [@Subterraneanus](#): > > I hope I do. Oops, I thought you were quoting **Shagnasty**. That’s what I get for not wearing my reading glasses. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276/93 "2016-03-02T03:53:59Z")
I’m still trying to wrap my head around a cultural standard of “blackness” that has Obama Sr as a black man, and President Obama as NOT a black man. Part of that may be growing up in the South, which had the one-drop rule. Langston Hughes (was he black enough?) said this: _You see, unfortunately, I am not black. There are lots of different kinds of blood in our family. But here in the United States, the word ‘Negro’ is used to mean anyone who has any Negro blood at all in his veins. In Africa, the word is more pure. It means all Negro, therefore black. I am brown._ ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276/94 "2016-03-02T06:07:48Z")
Shagnasty’s version of Blackness is _I know it when I see it_. Any dark-skinned person who doesn’t fit his negroid version of blackness is simply not black. Ethiopians? Not black. Not “sub-Saharan” enough. My biggest problem with him? His refusal to use commas in his wall-o-texts. How hard would it be for someone of his extremely high (though non-black unmusical) intelligence to use a fucking comma every once in awhile? Don’t they teach it in almost-PhD school? ---
**Author:** ![Blake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@Blake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blake)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276/95 "2016-03-02T07:38:20Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Shagnasty’s version of Blackness is _I know it when I see it_ His whole problem is that it’s not. If he could tell us what it is that he sees, he wouldn’t have a problem. The problem is that he says he knows it when he sees it, and then when you show him people who look identical to him, he tells you that one is not Black and one is based on things that he can’t see. And when you show him two people who look nothing alike, he tells you that they are both Back base don things that he can’t see. His whole stance is pathetically inconsistent. He claims that he can can see that a Sri Lankan is not Black, then he tells you that he only knows they are not Black because of their ancestry, which obviously he can’t see. He claims that OJ Simpson, Usain Bolt and every major Black sports star in the US is Black, and so many Black sports stars tells him something about genes and race. But Black sports stars look exactly like Barack Obama or a Sri Lankan and he has no ide at all about their ancestry. But he still knows they are Black despite not seeing any physical difference and not seeing any ancestral difference. He is twisting and squirming like a rat going up a drainipe. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276/96 "2016-03-02T09:25:31Z")
> [@Blake](#): > > That is actually a serious question. > > I’m familiar with this poster’s name. From memory he has been around as long as I have. But I can’t recall him pulling the kind of shit he has over in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=784856). I bit the bullet and read that exchange. Now I am significantly more stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276/97 "2016-03-02T14:53:44Z")
Maybe he doesn’t know what phenotype means. I run into this problem when discussing race and people confuse phenotype and genotype. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276/98 "2016-03-02T16:27:59Z")
> [@Blake](#): > > His whole stance is pathetically inconsistent. It’s completely circular. He can tell you something about a person by knowing their race, but in order to know their race you have to know where they’re from, and their entire heritage. Or if they play football. It’s orthogonal to science and reason. ---
**Author:** ![Blake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@Blake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blake)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2016, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276/99 "2016-03-05T08:31:49Z")
[And he’s at it again.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19154690&posted=1#post19154690) Post after post of shit thathe made up, followed by blatant lies to try to cover for his stupidity. I particularly like this one: > [@Are we all at most 50th cousins?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-all-at-most-50th-cousins/635637/73): > > they don’t use fire > [@me](#): > > Of course they use fire, just like all other humans. Not only do they use fire, they have some rather sophisticated methods of controlling fire, including lamps and torches. > [@](#): > > I didn’t say ‘use fire’. :rolleyes: Fucking liar. It really is amazing. We know next to nothing about the Sentinelese. Literally, we know about a dozen facts about them. Shagnasty has posted 6 statements about them and has been wrong on 5 of those. It’s like he’s \*trying \*to post things that are incorrect and easily proven to be incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![Blake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@Blake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blake)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2016, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276/100 "2016-03-05T08:40:04Z")
And we have anotherr. Same thread. > [@Are we all at most 50th cousins?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-all-at-most-50th-cousins/635637/77): > > … they are unapproachable… **Me:** Any claim that they are unapproachable is utterly false. Here is reference from a team of anthropologists who approached them many times over many years. > [@Are we all at most 50th cousins?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-all-at-most-50th-cousins/635637/81): > > That is an interesting cite **Blake** and I appreciate you sharing it but it didn’t refute much of what I said. :rolleyes: No, aside from the fact that he said the Sentinelese are unapproachable and my reference documenting multiple intimate approaches, it doesn’t refute much at all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-has-shagnasty-been-a-dishonest-dickhead/747276.md?page=6)