What makes you think that Fannie and freddie did more than anybody else to cause the housing bubble?
He listens to Fox Gnus.
This doesn’t make any sense. Democrats did not control Congress when the Bush tax cuts were enacted (although they did when the cuts were extended). And yes, they controlled Congress when the recession hit, but the seeds of the recession were sown several years ago.
They did control Congress when Obama’s stimulus package was passed. How many Republicans voted for it?
You’re flailing around trying to avoid blaming Dems and then turning around and blaming Republicans using exactly the same standards. Make up your mind, and stick to it.
For once.
It shows much the same thing - the US budget deficit for 2010 was in the vicinity of $1.3 trillion. Obama promised to cut that in half by the end of his first (and, God willing, only) term. Of course he is lying thru his teeth, but we all knew that.
Regards,
Shodan
Was there not a time during the 2009-2010 span that the Dems did indeed have 60 votes, if you include the independents that caucus with them?
nitpick acknowledged, yes of course Obama took office in 2009, after the 2008 election. However, the Dems took control of Congress and our Nation’s checkbook in 2007. The growth in 2007 & 2008 in part reflect how big of a RINO GWB really was.
Your post shows a complete lack of even the basic facts surrounding the issues here. 3 Republicans voted for the stimulus. So it wasn’t filibustered.
You should note that the reason the Bush tax cuts were extended, is that the Republicans were obstructing everything in order to get their way. They even put national security as a hostage when they petulantly demanded tax cut extensions or they wouldn’t ratify the treaty. Remember that? What do you think would have happened to the deficit if the Republicans weren’t putting their partisan delusions of how economics works in front of national security?
The Republicans aren’t honest, and people who don’t bother to inform themselves about the issues are the reason they can get away with it.
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So if you are not a Tea Partier, you are a RINO, or True Scotsman as they are also called.
It’s not at all a nitpick - it’s directly pertinent to your original argument:
Thus the huge jump you were concerned about happened under Bush, as everyone else appears to already understand.
Now, if you are trying to claim that it was due to Congressional Democrats, please tell me what specifically they did that caused this jump.
Really, like Lieberman?
The trouble is that Republicans are ideologically unified. They vote as a monolithic block because their base is made up of hysterical children with tri-cornered hats and outright delusional views. So getting all Republicans to vote against Obama is easy. It puffs the base and cements them in as incumbents come primary time. Voting against the Republican tide is nearly impossible for a congressional Republican, because the base will primary challenge them if they stray even a little.
However, Dems are a broad coalition of moderates, liberals and fairly conservative “blue dogs”. They have a diverse base. So getting all 60 to vote on something is difficult. It’s laughable bullshit to assume that 60 Democrats means they can push whatever they want through congress. Didn’t you bother to read a newspaper while the healthcare bill was going through?
Wait…this is in Great Debate isn’t it? And you’re seriously going to broad brush every Republican like that?
Give me a break.
I meant Congressional Republicans, not the voters. The voters who are strongly energized are the base of the party. Today’s Republican Base are the Tea Party. They won’t vote for anyone who sides with Obama. Worse than that, they will show up and vote against them in primaries.
That’s how idiots like Sharon Angle or Christine O’Donnell got to general elections. The base, who are ignorant and angry, voted in the primaries and zapped the sane Republican candidate for not being ideologically pure enough.
I know very few Republicans that are Tea Partiers.
The Republican base thinks the Democrats are just as angry and ignorant. I take it you’re arguing that only the Republicans can possibly BE angry and ignorant.
Which is…pretty ignorant.
Good for you. Too bad every poll out there makes it very clear who the teabaggers are.
Hell, on the road down from my house there’s an election sign for DickBag McTeabagger, “A tea party republican”.
Haven’t seen any signs for “A tea part democrat” however.
-Joe
Are you aware that who you know matters nothing? Do you really think that if you know a person that safely crossed a busy street blindfolded that it’s safe?
Basing things that are bigger than you on your random and imperfect recollection of your personal life is a profoundly silly way to govern.
There are Democrats that are ignorant and angry. But the trouble is the Democrats in congress aren’t doing every thing they’re saying to do. Republicans are.
To assume that both sides are equally at fault for everything is what people who don’t want to bother informing themselves do.
Cites?
Yeah, I was a green, pro-gun control, pro-fiscal responsibility Republican. I gave up and joined the Dems rather than pretend there was any place for me in the party.
The Tea Party is opposed to everything Obama is doing, right? Look up the congressional voting records since Obama took office.
Let’s see, Republican base hate’s Obama, so:
Republicans vote against the Start Treaty.
Republicans vote against Cap and Trade.
Republicans vote against Immigration.
Republicans refuse to seat Obama appointees.
Republicans nearly shut down the government.
Republicans nearly (so far) wreck the global economy by holding the debt ceiling hostage.
Republicans fight health care reform.
These are things that were either Republican ideas or were routine during Republican presidencies. And that’s off the top of my head.
(S)he speaks the truth. Republicans are actually more unified than are Democrats.
Cap and trade is a scam.
Immigration? No. Illegal immigration? Yes.
And Democrats don’t refuse to seat Republican appointees? Would you care to take off the rose colored glasses?
This isn’t true at all. Earlier this year, it was the Democrats willing to shut down the government. I definitely remember a few Democrats flatly stating after the fact that they’d rather have the government shut down than to make any concessions regarding abortion, whereas their Republican counterparts said they’d not have shut down the government over abortion (which was evidenced by Republicans budging and Democrats not budging).
I said this elsewhere, and I’ll say it again. The debt ceiling is not infinite, though some people seem to believe it is. For shits and giggles, let’s say we raise the debt ceiling. Then what? We’ll be right back at this point in another year, at which time the Democrats will do what they’re doing now-- conceding those things which which will do little to address the U.S.’ skyrocketing debt and kick the can of insolvency down the line for future generations to solve.
Because it’s ill-conceived, there’s no reason to believe it will lower the U.S.’ debt (even the CBO states that it will cost more than originally stated) and it actually taxes you (oh, wait. it’s a ‘fine’, not a ‘tax’) simply because you exist.
And I should add in the millions of people likely to lose their employee sponsored healthcare, thus increasing the cost of HCR.