# How long will the Ly@ness thread be kept open? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [May 30, 2012, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-will-the-ly-ness-thread-be-kept-open/623529 "2012-05-30T09:39:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2012, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-will-the-ly-ness-thread-be-kept-open/623529/21 "2012-05-30T18:58:14Z")
I don’t think it’s a matter of having a honeypot, I just think it’s a thread with valuable content that doesn’t need to be closed. It’s not as simple as saying “this is the correct answer - case closed”; the discussion can still continue. In other words, I think this is a perfectly good GQ thread: Person A: Is X a scam? Person B: Yes, because of X reasons. Person C: And also because of Y reasons. Person A: But what about Z? Person C: Z isn’t good evidence because… …then six months later… Person D: I’m surprised that you think X is a scam! I have reasons A, B, and C why I think it is not a scam. Person E: B isn’t a good reason because… Person F: Also, A and C are basically rephrased versions of reasons Y which we previously discussed. … and so on. This is my personal opinion, I’m not a GQ mod, but I think that allowing for continued response (with the chance for our users and new visitors to respond skeptically to any claims given) is of value. This is different from people just advertising or spamming. They’re not actively trying to gain subscribers or whatever from the Dope. They’re trying to put out information about Lyoness and others are attempting to debunk the claims that appear to be spurious and investigate the claims that seem to be vague. I think that’s perfectly valid, and the fact that the thread keeps getting bumped sure seems to mean that people are still interested in talking about the topic. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2012, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-will-the-ly-ness-thread-be-kept-open/623529/22 "2012-05-30T19:17:55Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > I don’t think it’s a matter of having a honeypot, I just think it’s a thread with valuable content that doesn’t need to be closed. > > … > This is different from people just advertising or spamming. They’re not actively trying to gain subscribers or whatever from the Dope. They’re trying to put out information about Lyoness and others are attempting to debunk the claims that appear to be spurious and investigate the claims that seem to be vague. I think that’s perfectly valid, and the fact that the thread keeps getting bumped sure seems to mean that people are still interested in talking about the topic. I don’t think it’s purpose is as a honey pot, I think it _is_ a honey pot by default. The scammers aren’t coming here for any other reason than it’s a deep result on Google (I think it’s higher for some of us due to Google’s attempts to predict what we’re looking for–since we’re on the Dope, it wants to return Dope results). You should read the posts that have bumped it. They **are** actively trying to gain subscribers. Names, phone numbers, and email addresses have been scrubbed from posts. Most encourage people to PM them to discuss the finer details. They’re **not** trying to put out information about Lyoness, they’re trying to put out **mis** information and recruit members for their pyramid. There are **not** claims that “appear” to be spurious; **it is unquestionably a pyramid scheme**. The fact that it keeps getting bumped is **solely** due to scammers trying to find new members to recruit into their pyramid, not because people (in general) are interested in talking about the topic. Again, I find it no problem to jump in on a scammer, report the included email and phone number, and directly (along with other members) respond to the spam. That it is nothing more than bumping with thinly-disguised spam is clear if you take the posts in isolation and imagine them as [del]ice cream-pooping unicorns[/del] new threads. They’d be closed before Runner Pat could put on his shoes. So here’s my prediction. As long as it’s open, it will attract scammers looking to add to their pyramid. Notwithstanding the rare post from an honest member or someone who has not yet lost his money to the scheme. Bump … bump … bump … bump … At what point will the mods get sick of it and say enough is enough? The same song and dance for a year? Over three years? Five hundred posts? Or will it be here in ten years and a few thousand posts, living on until the pyramid itself collapses? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2012, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-will-the-ly-ness-thread-be-kept-open/623529/23 "2012-05-30T22:08:34Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > Personally, I don’t agree that the thread is spam. It’s clearly a high enough ranked thread that it’s getting attention from people involved in Lyoness, but the Dope is about fighting ignorance, and I’m sure we’re getting viewed by folks who are interested in knowing what it’s all about. Having a skeptical thread show up highly in the search results is, to my mind, a good thing, and closing the thread I think sends a message that we’re unwilling to discuss it with new people. I think this pretty much sums up my own thoughts on it. Even if it’s publicity for Lyoness, the replies make it really _bad_ publicity for it. IMO, posting to the thread is most likely a highly counterproductive strategy for proponents. > [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > You should read the posts that have bumped it. They **are** actively trying to gain subscribers. Names, phone numbers, and email addresses have been scrubbed from posts. Most encourage people to PM them to discuss the finer details. They’re **not** trying to put out information about Lyoness, they’re trying to put out **mis** information and recruit members for their pyramid. There are **not** claims that “appear” to be spurious; **it is unquestionably a pyramid scheme**. The fact that it keeps getting bumped is **solely** due to scammers trying to find new members to recruit into their pyramid, not because people (in general) are interested in talking about the topic. Frankly, I doubt very much that these guys are picking up much if any response from this site. You can’t very well read the thread and take them seriously. > [@](#): > > At what point will the mods get sick of it and say enough is enough? The same song and dance for a year? Over three years? Five hundred posts? Or will it be here in ten years and a few thousand posts, living on until the pyramid itself collapses? I’ve just opened a discussion among the GQ mods. We haven’t had a general discussion of the thread previously. However, since we’ve all received the reports and no one has seen fit to close it I think the reasoning of the other mods has been similar to mine and **fluiddruid’s.** The thread is at this point a few months old, so I think it’s a bit premature to worry about whether it will still be here in 10 years. At this point, I think the consensus is to allow it to stay open. That could change depending on how much of a nuisance it becomes. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-will-the-ly-ness-thread-be-kept-open/623529/24 "2012-06-15T02:34:01Z")
Well, the thread finally got one (obvious) spam too many (post #195), and **samclem** whacked the thread (post #200). It doesn’t immediately appear that the spamminator has been insta-banulized though. Wonder why. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-will-the-ly-ness-thread-be-kept-open/623529/25 "2012-06-15T16:30:46Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > It’s at 175 posts so far. Does it _ever_ get locked? What’s the over/under (I know nothing about sports betting, did I use the term correctly)? If they never stop bumping every few weeks/months, does it make it to 500 posts? A thousand? Not much more than 200? Or will it likely remain open and give the SRIotD a run for its money? Made it to 199 without counting the lock notification. Anyone choose that in the over/under, or does the money go to charity? (The Rhythmdvl Memorial Home for Incurable Tyrants, Kings and Mods) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-will-the-ly-ness-thread-be-kept-open/623529/26 "2012-06-15T16:35:26Z")
We could start a “How long will the thread about the Lyoness thread be kept open?” thread if you like. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-will-the-ly-ness-thread-be-kept-open/623529/27 "2012-06-15T16:36:13Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > Made it to 199 without counting the lock notification. Anyone choose that in the over/under, or does the money go to charity? > > (The Rhythmdvl Memorial Home for Incurable Tyrants, Kings and Mods) No, it goes to the poster who brought the winner into the thread. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-will-the-ly-ness-thread-be-kept-open/623529/28 "2012-06-15T16:39:32Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > No, it goes to the poster who brought the winner into the thread. 😃 And if that person brings two more people into the thread… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-will-the-ly-ness-thread-be-kept-open/623529/29 "2012-06-16T18:10:38Z")
You can’t hide your Lyoness… ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-will-the-ly-ness-thread-be-kept-open/623529/30 "2012-06-16T19:24:55Z")
All your Lyoness are belong to us. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-will-the-ly-ness-thread-be-kept-open/623529/32 "2012-10-30T09:15:24Z")
reported (post was promoting a scam) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-will-the-ly-ness-thread-be-kept-open/623529/33 "2012-10-30T10:17:28Z")
Nothing sells you on a product or business like a salesman who starts off with “You’re an idiot and here’s why you’re wrong”. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-will-the-ly-ness-thread-be-kept-open/623529/34 "2012-10-30T10:38:41Z")
> [@MikeDubai](#): > > Not bad for a scam company, what do you think? Still a scam though; agree? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-will-the-ly-ness-thread-be-kept-open/623529/35 "2012-10-30T12:27:16Z")
Are we now pretending that the thread on this subject, with all its revelations, never took place? Every single statement he makes has been countered in that thread. No “do-overs” for you, **MikeDubai**. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-will-the-ly-ness-thread-be-kept-open/623529/36 "2012-10-30T13:50:36Z")
> [@Cicero](#): > > From the registration agreement: > > This message board is intended as a medium for public discussion. Do not post spam, including but not limited to advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, solicitations, offers to trade or barter, charitable appeals, or other messages primarily intended to promote a cause, venture, organization, event (except Straight Dope-related events), website, or other entity or activity, whether or not money is involved. > > If this does not fall within that definition I am a ballerina. Send us a pic of you in a tutu, and we’ll be the judge! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-will-the-ly-ness-thread-be-kept-open/623529/37 "2012-10-30T14:24:11Z")
Since this thread like the original one looks like scammer-bait, I’m going to close it. Colibri Moderator [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-long-will-the-ly-ness-thread-be-kept-open/623529.md?page=1)