# How many Christians here have seen Fahrenheit 9/11 and feel it's ok to talk about it? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 2, 2004, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247 "2004-07-02T18:05:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Spezza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a698b9/32.png) [@Spezza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spezza)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2004, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247/21 "2004-07-03T04:29:56Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > And that’s part of what’s so sad about this country, that criticism of the government is construed as treason. Too many people think that good citizenship requires lockstep obedience, but they do not understand that our nation was founded on the principle that the rights of citizens to freedom of expression are paramount. In the movie there is a brief clip with Britney Spears who says something like: “I believe we should just follow our President and not contiue to argue with his decisions.” (Obviously paraphrased, but you get the idea.) Upon hearing that I thought to myself _that is the blondest thing anyone could have ever said_. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2004, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247/22 "2004-07-03T04:59:32Z")
> [@vanilla](#): > > thank you. > Now I will know when to have him look away. Be careful - there’s quite a few places with war images that would potentially be disturbing, and the f-word comes up a few times. I don’t think it’s anything an eleven-year-old couldn’t handle, but it does depend on the kid. He does, at some points, clearly depict the brutality of the 9/11 attacks, as well as that of the war. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2004, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247/23 "2004-07-03T16:49:22Z")
Moore advocates critical throught. Some people find that very intimidating. Sometimes people turn to religion to avoid critical thinkng. Some types of religion present a neat package, all tied up with a bow, that provides simplistic answers to simplistic questions, and that discourages thinking at a deeper level. Sound like your Christian Message Board has chosen that type of religion. You can chose for yourself whether you wish to think critically, or to blindly follow dogma, and whether or not all forms of Christianity require dogma, or just a particular form of Christianity as followed by the Christian Message Board requires dogma. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2004, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247/24 "2004-07-03T17:49:17Z")
I may see it when it comes out on DVD- doubtful as I haven’t bothered with BOWLING yet. I just have no interest in anything Michael Moore has to say. That said, I think the C’tian board that deleted it is loopy. I have seen stuff like LAST TEMPTATION, THE RAPTURE, and DOGMA; I hope for Universal Salvation (I believe in Salvation for most of humanity & final extinction for totally hardened anti-God rebels); while I oppose gay marriage, I don’t oppose civil unions; and I think HARRY POTTER is harmless make-believe. And alas, I do feel the need to be cautious in which fellow churchmembers I discuss these with. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247/25 "2004-07-04T02:08:36Z")
I have it on DVD here and haven’t seen it yet, but am planning to. I don’t see why a Christian board would not want people discussing a movie like this. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247/26 "2004-07-04T02:32:23Z")
Most christians think Moore is bad and evil and traitorous. Its the whole mind set. They discuss him, but God forbide anyone should defend him. I eed to find some liberal chrsitians in real life. Really. I tried to give this couple a book to read (I had mentioned it mentioned Iraq and lots. Its by Icke, but they have never heard of him, trust me. They said NO thanks. They won’t read anything that doesn’t agree with their views. I wonder how they learn anything then.) ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247/27 "2004-07-04T02:33:57Z")
I’ve heard at least one Christian, and not a particularly pro-Bush one, say the Bible demands a certain level of respect for any government leader. Maybe it does, in places, but then you also have your Herods, your Pharoahs, etc. At any rate, surely respect for leaders doesn’t require re-election up to the term limits every time, does it? I’m pretty anti-Bush myself, but as a Christian I dislike some of the baser slams against him. He at least deserves to be called by his real name, if not preceded by “Mr.” or “President.” But I see no problem with a polemic, political film that’s opposed to him, just on the grounds that he’s a sitting president and should never be dissed. All the more reason to hold him to the highest standards of political conduct, considering what office he holds! ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247/28 "2004-07-04T02:40:09Z")
But GOD wated him to be president! Obviously GOD is conservative. :rolleyes: God hates us, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247/29 "2004-07-04T02:56:07Z")
Meh. If God wanted Bush to be president, then He wanted Clinton to be president before him, and Bush I before Clinton, and on back. For that matter if Kerry defeats Bush then God can be said to have endorsed Kerry. What a tired old argument that is; I know some people really do think God is on the side of the Republicans but I refuse to take them at all seriously. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247/30 "2004-07-04T03:02:41Z")
To clarify: the tired argument is “God wants Our Guy to be President.” A more rational argument might be “God wants whoever won, to be President.” I recall some fundamentalist ladies crying (literally) when Clinton was elected, saying things like “Satan has won!” Um. Pretty weak God, isn’t it, who can’t throw a simple election if he wants to? The staunchest rational Republican might argue that Clinton became president because God wanted him to, without passing the slightest judgment on the man’s worthiness or goodness. Mysterious ways, and all that. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247/31 "2004-07-04T03:03:59Z")
It never occured to me that this movie would be offensive to _Christians_ specifically. How bizarre. I saw the movie, I’m Christian. I encourage my Church-Lady gray-haired grandmotherly mom to see it. Sure, I think a lot of it is bullshit, (some of it was dramatic and thought-provoking, though), but I saw nothing that would offend Christians. This other message board has the right to delete whatever they want, and I support their right to do that, but I agree with others here—it’s bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![JoeSki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b487fb/32.png) [@JoeSki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoeSki)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247/32 "2004-07-04T03:04:01Z")
I find it completely ludicrous that anyone would find Fahrenheit 9/11 inappropriate to talk about just because of their religion. I also find it ludicrous when people say that it’s inappropriate to talk about politics and religion in general. Really now, just how the hell do these people learn? ---
**Author:** ![Taran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Taran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taran)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247/33 "2004-07-04T03:14:21Z")
> [@vanilla](#): > > The christian board I go to totally vilifies Moore and all democrat as evil and immoral. > > Its sad. Then why go there? Some people can’t live without a target, but why enable them? ---
**Author:** ![dreamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6bbea6/32.png) [@dreamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dreamer)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247/34 "2004-07-04T03:41:06Z")
> [@masonite](#): > > I’ve heard at least one Christian, and not a particularly pro-Bush one, say the Bible demands a certain level of respect for any government leader. Yes, I’m pretty sure I have read that somewhere too but my question to that would be, what if you were living in Nazi Germany when Hitler was the “Leader”? Could any Christian rationalize any respect for a man like that? ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247/35 "2004-07-04T03:49:26Z")
> [@Taran](#): > > Then why go there? Some people can’t live without a target, but why enable them? Because I like to converse with christians and theres ot many here. If only they’d leave politics out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247/36 "2004-07-04T04:25:13Z")
> [@JoeSki](#): > > Really now, just how the hell do these people learn? That’s the problem. They don’t. ---
**Author:** ![JoeSki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b487fb/32.png) [@JoeSki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoeSki)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247/37 "2004-07-04T06:59:40Z")
Ya know, I knew the answer to that question but insisted on asking it anyways. _tries to save face_ Umm…err…Did you know that John Quincy Adams kept a pet alligator because he enjoyed the “spectacle of guests fleeing from the room in terror”? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247/38 "2004-07-04T07:32:59Z")
> [@dreamer](#): > > This is the explanation I got when asking why the thread was deleted. > > \*It was removed because I do not allow people to promote anything that even comes close to Anti-American propaganda. I know that some people (very few) will scream censorship. And that’s fine. I simply call it ownership. As an owner of this site I feel that it is my responsibility to keep the site free from this type of garbage. > \* Perhaps this guy should be sent a copy of the articles talking about how the Chinese government is censoring text messages to prevent anti-China propaganda. He sounds like Commie scum to me. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247/39 "2004-07-04T07:35:37Z")
> [@JoeSki](#): > > Ya know, I knew the answer to that question but insisted on asking it anyways. > _tries to save face_ > > Umm…err…Did you know that John Quincy Adams kept a pet alligator because he enjoyed the “spectacle of guests fleeing from the room in terror”? ROTFLMFAO! ---
**Author:** ![Already\_in\_Use](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Already\_in\_Use](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Already_in_Use)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247/40 "2004-07-04T10:37:22Z")
> [@dreamer](#): > > _It was removed because I do not allow people to promote anything that even comes close to Anti-American propaganda. I know that some people (very few) will scream censorship. And that’s fine. I simply call it ownership. As an owner of this site I feel that it is my responsibility to keep the site free from this type of garbage._ So opposing frivolous acts of war is anti-American in this guy’s view? If that’s the case, then Christianity itself is necessarily anti-American, as I seem to recall that Jesus had some nasty words for those who “live by the sword.” _Fahrenheit 9/11_ has its flaws, but it’s more Christian in spirit than anything done by the smarmy ass who calls Jesus his “favorite political philosopher.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-christians-here-have-seen-fahrenheit-9-11-and-feel-its-ok-to-talk-about-it/253247.md?page=3)