# How Many Lost Firefighters? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [October 22, 2001, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-lost-firefighters/88871 "2001-10-22T15:50:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![postcards](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8e8cbc/32.png) [@postcards](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/postcards)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2001, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-lost-firefighters/88871/1 "2001-10-22T15:50:31Z")
For a fund raising project I’m working on, I need a simple answer. All the news outlets, and the City of New York, say that the FDNY lost 343 members on Sept. 11. At the FDNY site [http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/fdny/html/home2.html](http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/fdny/html/home2.html) is a listing of all the lost men. A quick count shows **344** members lost. Does the official count not include the First Deputy Commissioner (William Feehan?), or the Chief of Department (Peter J. Ganci)? I need the proper number for a limited edition photograph I’m producing. Instead of every print in the run being numbered, they’ll each carry the name of a fireman, followed by the number of prints in the run (and susequently the number of lost men.) Any FDNY dopers out there that can help me? ---
**Author:** ![postcards](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8e8cbc/32.png) [@postcards](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/postcards)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2001, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-lost-firefighters/88871/2 "2001-10-22T23:17:07Z")
Anyone? ---
**Author:** ![KCB615](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ea666f/32.png) [@KCB615](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KCB615)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2001, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-lost-firefighters/88871/3 "2001-10-23T01:34:18Z")
Not FDNY, but SFD The number I keep seeing is 343, inclusive of the Chief and Deputy Commish. Try [http://www.firehouse.com](http://www.firehouse.com) , they’re keeping a running total of the events of the 11th. Their list is combined with NYPD and the Port Authority, though. Sorry if that didn’t help all that much… ---
**Author:** ![postcards](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8e8cbc/32.png) [@postcards](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/postcards)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2001, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-lost-firefighters/88871/4 "2001-10-23T01:50:50Z")
Thanks for the response. The only other person who may not be included is the department chaplin, Father Judge. I’m not sure if he was rank-and-file and trained as a fireman. The reason I need to know is this: I’m a photographer who produces a limited edition 5 X 7 inch black and white print every year as a holiday card. It’s a signed and numbered edition of around 120; I send out maybe 110-115. This year, I’m printing 344, only instead of numbering them (ex: 1/120) each one will carry the name of a lost fireman. I’ll send out my usual 115 or so, with an appeal for everyone to buy another one for someone as a gift. A $35 check made out to the UFA Widows and Childrens fund gets an extra one; if I sell the remaining 229 I’ll raise just over eight thousand dollars. The photograph is one of the few I ever took of the trade center. (I always thought they were two of the ugliest buildings in creation; Battery Park City is much nicer. I was looking through over eight hundred contact sheets last week, I doubt I have 36 frames with even a part of those towers in them.) I couldn’t adequetly descibe the image, and I can’t post it to my website yet. (Scanner problems.) But I thought I should explain why I ask such a seemingly trivial question.