# How many men have really been \*cancelled\* by #metoo? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 3, 2023, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556 "2023-09-03T20:07:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2023, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556/41 "2023-09-04T21:41:01Z")
The one time I got a co-worker in trouble for sexual harassment was when I was working at a pizza place in the late 1980s. Another girl who worked there reported him, after I overheard him making inappropriate comments to her (she was 15, it was her first job, and she didn’t realize he’d done anything wrong) and they had enough on him to fire him. Not only did I not want to be alone in that place with him, the MALE employees didn’t either, and he had also been stealing money. He was an all-purpose jerkwad. I never posted any “metoo” experiences on social media, but I seriously considered outing a GIRL I grew up with who, among other things, regularly threatened to arrange my gang-rape so I would get pregnant and have to leave school. (One wonders what kind of horrors a girl would have had to experience herself to even think of wanting to do something like this to another girl!) She never succeeded, but I really think it would have been a justified shitshow to name her on Facebook, where she did have an account. Oh, and that Facebook account? Yeah, I blocked her, but not before I saw what she was doing for a living at the time. She worked in the claims denial department of a health insurance company. Now, I do understand why such a department exists, fraud being the main one, but she would probably be the type who would deny claims for kicks and grins. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2023, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556/42 "2023-09-04T21:45:34Z")
On a related note, around the same time that I worked at the pizza place, I worked at (what else?) an insurance company, in what was basically the typing pool, and there was a woman in an adjacent department who had worked there for about 10 years, since a few months after she graduated from high school. She had previously worked at a bank, and the loan officers all wanted to go to bed with her and fired her because she wouldn’t. When she had her interview, the man who interviewed her, who had since retired, asked, as his first question, “Why were you fired from XYZ Bank?” When she replied, “Because I wouldn’t go to bed with the loan officers,” he set his pen down, leaned back, and said, “I’m offering you the job, and I want you to take it.” I do have a feeling that it wasn’t the first time he’d heard that from someone who had previously worked at that bank. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2023, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556/43 "2023-09-04T21:50:01Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Not only did I not want to be alone in that place with him, the MALE employees didn’t either, **and he had also been stealing money.** [“The Al Capone Theory of Sexual Harassment”](https://hypatia.ca/2017/07/18/the-al-capone-theory-of-sexual-harassment/) suggests that companies should always check out people credibly accused of sexual harassment for financial crimes as well. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2023, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556/44 "2023-09-04T21:52:00Z")
ISTR that Chris Matthews’ health has not been good for many years. > **as this rest caused the hijack, I'm hiding it. Please no more replies. {What Exit?}** > > I also believe that Anita Hill made up the sexual harassment claims against Clarence Thomas, because she had wanted to date him and he wasn’t interested. By doing this, she set the whole cause back by untold years. This doesn’t mean that I endorse Thomas, or anything else he’s done, in any way. Her body language gave it all away to me, and a lot of other people. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556/45 "2023-09-04T21:57:48Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > ISTR that Chris Matthews’ health has not been good for many years. If the [Wikipedia article on him](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Matthews) is accurate, it sounds like he had been expected to retire from his anchor position at MSNBC after the 2020 election anyway (he would have been turning 75 at that point); his sudden resignation in March of that year just hastened it. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556/46 "2023-09-04T21:57:56Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > The one time I got a co-worker in trouble for sexual harassment was when I was working at a pizza place in the late 1980s. Sometimes I always like to tell employees is that nothing they say will get someone in trouble. People get in trouble beacuse of the things they do not because of what you tell me. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2023, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556/47 "2023-09-04T22:08:52Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Her body language gave it all away to me, and a lot of other people. Well, if you found her body language untrustworthy, that’s good enough for me. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2023, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556/48 "2023-09-04T22:40:49Z")
**Moderating:** Sarcasm does not make you immune to the attack the post and not the poster rules. Watch it. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2023, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556/49 "2023-09-04T22:52:12Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I also believe that Anita Hill made up the sexual harassment claims against Clarence Thomas, because she had wanted to date him and he wasn’t interested. By doing this, she set the whole cause back by untold years. This doesn’t mean that I endorse Thomas, or anything else he’s done, in any way. Her body language gave it all away to me, and a lot of other people. > [@Pitting nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176): > > Well, it’s a good thing he didn’t get the job anyway and she didn’t suffer any humiliation from doing so! She sure showed him, didn’t she? Body language, huh? Maybe take this to the thread about “things I believe with no evidence”? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2023, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556/50 "2023-09-04T23:07:31Z")
> **off-topic reply hidden, might make a good off-shoot thread. {WE?}** > > Body language is notoriously unreliable at revealing deceit > > [https://irc.queensu.ca/the-myth-of-body-language-as-a-credibility-assessor/](https://irc.queensu.ca/the-myth-of-body-language-as-a-credibility-assessor/) > > > Specifically, Bond and DePaulo (2006) conducted a meta-analysis regarding body language as a predictor of deceitful behaviour and found no relation between the two. In a separate meta-analysis conducted by Sporer and Schwandt (2007), twelve observable behaviours, including eye blinking, gaze aversion, postural shifts, hand movements, etc., were reviewed, and none were found to be correlated with deception. Three additional studies conducted by Wiseman et al. (2012) evaluated whether eye movement is a useful predictor of lying, with all three concluding it was not a useful predictor at all. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2023, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556/51 "2023-09-04T23:10:40Z")
Closed on September 4, 2023, 11:10pm UTC ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2023, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556/52 "2023-09-04T23:11:39Z")
Off topic posts, I need to figure out how to clean this up. That post would be better in the linked pit thread or on its own opening a new thread. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2023, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556/53 "2023-09-04T23:20:32Z")
Opened on September 4, 2023, 11:20pm UTC ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2023, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556/54 "2023-09-06T21:04:53Z")
Numerous executives across corporations have also been cancelled, meaning they lost their jobs due to inappropriate actions they took towards co-workers leveraging their positions. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2023, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556/55 "2023-09-06T21:15:49Z")
It’s not just executives. Businesses increasingly don’t tolerate inappropriate behavior at all. They don’t want to deal with the cost of lawsuits, the effect on the working environment, and the loss of experience and skill. A single crude joke probably won’t get people fired but there are many more serious infractions which can’t be ignored anymore. Executives have the means to fight accusations whether they are true or not, their employees usually don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2023, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556/56 "2023-09-07T20:51:33Z")
Okay, I read a bit more, and now I know: Spacey was fired from House of Cards because of his behavior **on** HoC. The first, outside accusation prompted people on HoC to speak up about what happened to them. So…another case where there was more to the story than “one” accusation. Again, I’m glad to be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556/57 "2023-09-12T11:05:00Z")
I’m just waiting for the first attempt at a “manufactured” canceling using deepfakes and such techniques. ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556/58 "2023-09-12T16:43:25Z")
I have a bizarre side bar relating to HR and “harassment”. Back in the late 1980’s I had a friend who had a bizarre sense of humor, who had a calendar made where the picture was that of the rear of a horse (not close up). Asked about it he would tell us, there are plenty of horse’s asses around here,so I thought I’d “honor” them. Fine, whatever floats your boat. One day he got called into HR. He was told that someone hated his calendar, and that it was “sexually offensive”, and that it had to be taken down. His response was “someone finds that picture sexual, and you’re talking to me?” Under threat of termination he took it down, but felt he should have been allowed to know who complained so he could talk it out with them. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2025, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556/59 "2025-05-13T17:28:41Z")
Any thoughts on Gérard Depardieu? The latest news is: > **[French actor Gérard Depardieu convicted of sexual assault and given 18-month...](https://apnews.com/article/depardieu-verdict-sexual-assault-french-actor-c1c5feb8237a79785bfeeb80c62428c5)** > > A Paris court found actor Gérard Depardieu guilty of having sexually assaulted two women on a 2021 film set, giving him an 18-month suspended prison sentence. He has almost 250 acting credits but they have almost stopped after 2022 ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2025, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556/60 "2025-05-13T17:49:21Z")
I never liked him as an actor. Does that count as a thought? This seems like he was canceled because he was an alleged and now convicted criminal, not for #metoo. I don’t see how his case would apply here. Is it #metoo if he were convicted of murder, drunk driving, child pornography instead of rape/sexual assault? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-men-have-really-been-cancelled-by-metoo/989556.md?page=4)