# How many more attacks before the West has to consider the previously unthinkable? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 15, 2016, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950 "2016-07-15T02:38:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/221 "2016-07-17T03:01:52Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > Well let’s hear it. What will curtail these people from killing in the name of Allah? Not some cliche, but a real suggestion. Go ahead. Which people, Monty said he served with Muslims. You are talking about stopping terrorists. I doubt he served with terrorists. Unless, of course you mean you think all Muslims are terrorists. Hey, I think you asked someone to find an instance of you saying that. Yeah, right here. You see why you are the problem? No, of course you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Natural](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a9adbd/32.png) [@Mr.Natural](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Natural)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/222 "2016-07-17T03:01:59Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Stop embarrassing yourself. Still with the personal insults and not a single solitary constructive point. Even among the many obviously ignorant posters on this board, you stand out. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/223 "2016-07-17T03:03:02Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > I searched those other forums for discussion about this latest attack. Here was the only discussion of it. This website is way far left, so I didn’t expect much. How odd … how many forums did you search? Because there’s at least a half dozen raging on Facebook right now. That’s pretty right-wing tree-hugger crap. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/224 "2016-07-17T03:03:47Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > I haven’t killed a single person. You know who else hasn’t killed a single Person? The vast majority of Muslims. You are no different than a hooded Klansman. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/225 "2016-07-17T03:04:05Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > Still with the personal insults and not a single solitary constructive point. Even among the many obviously ignorant posters on this board, you stand out. Why are you hating on Indonesia? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/226 "2016-07-17T03:07:14Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > Still with the personal insults and not a single solitary constructive point. You wouldn’t know a constructive point if it stuck it’s dick in your ear and fuck-started your brain. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Natural](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a9adbd/32.png) [@Mr.Natural](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Natural)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/227 "2016-07-17T03:11:26Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > And now, in post 199, the Dung heap finally admits that he believes every Muslim is a terrorist. How in the world do you get that from this… "All bullshit and arguments aside, we’re not going to “appeal to reason” with those terrorists. The only two things that I can think of that might actually curtail these crazy sons of bitches even a bit is to get entirely out of the region and quit supporting or defending Israel, and neither of those things are going to happen." You must be one stupid forker. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Natural](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a9adbd/32.png) [@Mr.Natural](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Natural)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/228 "2016-07-17T03:12:35Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You wouldn’t know a constructive point if it stuck it’s dick in your ear and fuck-started your brain. How about making one of those constructive points, rather than personal attacks, and let’s see. Go ahead. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/229 "2016-07-17T03:15:37Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > How about making one of those constructive points, rather than personal attacks, and let’s see. Go ahead. How about you respond to any that are made. See my post #216 ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Natural](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a9adbd/32.png) [@Mr.Natural](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Natural)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/230 "2016-07-17T03:15:38Z")
I’ve spent the last couple of hours trying to have a reasonable discussion about what might curtail the terrorists from continuing their violence, but it’s pointless. Not sure if those wanting just to argue are drunk or actually this thick, but I guess it’s a moot point anyway, and a waste of time. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/231 "2016-07-17T03:17:10Z")
You seem unreasonable about admitting there are actual Muslims who are innocent … ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/232 "2016-07-17T03:28:50Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > I’ve spent the last couple of hours trying to have a reasonable discussion about what might curtail the terrorists from continuing their violence, but it’s pointless. Not sure if those wanting just to argue are drunk or actually this thick, but I guess it’s a moot point anyway, and a waste of time. Well, no, you haven’t. If you want to talk about how to halt the radicalization of new Muslims, that’s one conversation. One where the answer is largely stop the us vs them culture that groups like isis feed on. If you want to talk about stopping specific groups the answer is police and military action with the cooperation of the oppressed people. If it is stopping all violence in the middle east… I won’t pretend to have an answer but I know propagating hate on both sides is bad. You haven’t seemed to want to talk about any of that though. You say you want to talk about how to stop the violence but it really seems like you just want to say that all Muslims are terrorists, link to hate sites, and then change the subject when called on it. Getting back to the topic of the OP, do you think ethnic cleansing of Western countries Muslim population is the solution to terrorism? Because you seem to. But maybe I’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/233 "2016-07-17T03:38:02Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > The only two things that I can think of that might actually curtail these crazy sons of bitches even a bit is to get entirely out of the region and quit supporting or defending Israel, and neither of those things are going to happen. Are you tacitly saying its OK for terrorists to hate the West, because Israel? Islamic terrorists and their sympathizers/supporters hate the west because they yearn for the days of caliphate, the Ottomans being a powerful world force. Hell, if Israel were th reason they hated America, then they’ve demonstrated why they’re terrorists. Muslims need to get the fuck over their stupid “Palestine;” the Muslim world has enough holy sights under Muslim jurisdiction and sovereignty. Pass the ball and let someone else have one. Oh yea; Israel are winners, the Palestinians are losers because of their actions (like blowing themselves up, hijacking planes, murdering Olympic athletes, terror campaigns, etc.) ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/234 "2016-07-17T03:50:06Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > . . . You don’t see this happening regularly even in the US Muslim communities . . . Only because you’ve got your eyes wide shut. If you’d actually bothered to look, you’d see the U.S. Islamic community strongly fighting against violent Islamist extremism. You and facts don’t seem to have met each other socially, despite living in the same community. Try actually reading what U.S. Imams say about violence and terrorism. (Now offering to take any and all bets at nine to one against…) ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/235 "2016-07-17T03:55:06Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > You know who else hasn’t killed a single Person? The vast majority of Muslims. You are no different than a hooded Klansman. Of course, to be scrupulously fair, the majority of Klansmen never actually killed anybody either. Still, what **Mr. Natural** is saying is more akin to, “The KKK is a bunch of white guys, so all white guys are violent racist terrorists.” Like **Magiver** , real proportions are beyond his ability to observe. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/236 "2016-07-17T05:30:51Z")
Curtail the terrists? Well, really, there are a number of ways to lessen the number of one’s enemies. The most common, the time honored solution, is to kill them. That one appeals to the simple minded among us, they think it is a finality. Another, less popular method is to avoid making them. Or needlessly adding to their number, at the very least. Try to avoid moving someone from disliking us to hating our guts. Perhaps seizing them by the lapels and shrieking into their faces what savages they are is not the best approach. Just a thought. Aid and assistance to their recruitment drives is ill-advised, in my estimation. If our enemies depend on getting people to believe that we, the West, are at war with their faith _regardless_…perhaps proving that their recruitment themes are true might not be strategically advantageous. If we truly were cynically and coldly at war with Islam, wouldn’t it be smarter to lie about it? Keep saying “Nice doggy, good doggy” while we feel around on the ground for a fist-sized rock? Islam religion of peace crapsite. Didja know it will translate into other languages, right there on your screen, you can read it in Arabic, for instance. You can bet your ass that link is passed around from the ignorant to the ignorant, as solid and undeniable truth that America hates their guts, and is coming to get them. Why wouldn’t they believe it, because we are too sane to invade a country that has done us no harm? Even if it were true, be better not to let on, don’t you think? Or don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/237 "2016-07-17T06:12:45Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > You know who else hasn’t killed a single Person? … Hitler ? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/238 "2016-07-17T10:42:55Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > Thanks for the response. Now what can we do that might curtail another attack? I think all that can be reasonably done is already being done, and some unreasonable things on top of that. We can not prevent all attacks. Eventually, one of the whackjobs is going to succeed. Unless we’re all willing to put ourselves under lockdown/house arrest indefinitely, allow unannounced searches of our persons and properties, and basically vote to treat ourselves like prisoners under life sentence. I would find that unacceptable, as would most others. I accept that the world is not perfectly safe. I take what precautions I find reasonable and get on with my life. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/239 "2016-07-17T10:46:49Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > Thank you very much for asking! Black and white, rank and file, people marched, protested, and even died righting those wrongs. It took action, and not just some clerics signing some documents. The marches and protests weren’t sporadic or occurring only on certain occasions. There were marches on schools, courthouses, state capitals. People took to the road and sat in at lunch counters, went to public parks, drank from the white folks’ fountains. Did I mention that some died? That’s not how slavery was ended. That’s how legalized discrimination was ended. Race-based slavery in the US was ended by fighting a full out war. It would help if you actually knew something about history. Strictly speaking, though, slavery hasn’t ended. Now we call it “human trafficking” or it’s perpetrated by some whacko keeping young women locked in his house and using them for fucktoys. We ended institutionalized slavery but the practice still occurs in the US, not to mention other parts of the world that are even less enlightened. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/240 "2016-07-17T10:49:08Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You wouldn’t know a constructive point if it stuck it’s dick in your ear and fuck-started your brain. I just wanted to say I really like that insult. Do you mind if I borrow it in the future? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950.md?page=13)