# How many more attacks before the West has to consider the previously unthinkable? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 15, 2016, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950 "2016-07-15T02:38:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/341 "2016-07-22T10:11:34Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Am I allowed to quote from the PM I received from a mod which specifically used the term “zero tolerance”? It was after receiving that very PM a few days ago that my “persecution complex” began, just coincidentally. Gee, so after breaking the rule umpteen times, you get a note that there will be zero tolerance if you continue to break the rule? Gosh. My sympathy is limited. Have you considered not breaking the rule? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/342 "2016-07-22T10:11:42Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > They don’t have my intelligence, wit, style, debating ability, or dispassionate restraint. You forgot humility…:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/343 "2016-07-22T10:19:08Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > And yet. When I post controversial opinions, and I get super harsh pushback about them, a significant portion of the time I look at the person’s name and it has “mod” by it. If the posts by Mods do not state that the post is official, then it is simply a matter of a poster who happens to be a Mod responding to idiocy. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > Would someone with a persecution complex wait until they had more than 10,000 posts before they complained of persecution? That is an incredibly patient persecution complex, at any rate! They would wait that long if it only developed after they began breaking a rule and being dinged for it. I don’t care about the technical aspects of the extension. That is irrelevant. The very first time your extension caused your post to break the rule, you were noted for it. When you continued to use the extension, even though it continued to cause your posts to be violations, that was the very nature of “insisting.” I am glad that you have removed the silly thing. Now we can go back to ignoring you except when you make ridiculous posts that invite rejoinders. (For example, I have responded to your OP in this thread, pointing out that it is stupid, unworkable, hateful, and counterproductive to the goals for which it was proposed, but I have no interest in driving you from the SDMB. Having a poster who provides Trump-like comments provides the opportunity to refute the nonsense on which they are based.) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/344 "2016-07-22T10:44:17Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Gee, so after breaking the rule umpteen times, you get a note that there will be zero tolerance if you continue to break the rule? Gosh. > > My sympathy is limited. Have you considered not breaking the rule? How many more rule violations before the Mods have to consider the increasingly inevitable? > [@SlackerInc](#): > > Whereas I threaten that whole edifice, and that drives them up the wall (the same reason so much fury is directed against my hero Sam Harris). Ow! My edifice! ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/345 "2016-07-22T11:00:24Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Have you seen the warnings I get? Nobody knows the trouble you’ve seen. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/346 "2016-07-22T12:53:14Z")
Nobody Knows the Trouble I’ve Been. - Album title from “Spider” John Koerner, who was once busted on a charge of Lurking With Intent to Loom. Or so he says. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/347 "2016-07-22T13:14:40Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > You forgot humility…:rolleyes: Nope. Never claimed to be humble. 😛 > [@tomndebb](#): > > If the posts by Mods do not state that the post is official, then it is simply a matter of a poster who happens to be a Mod responding to idiocy. Yeah, no shit, Sherlock. I never claimed or implied they were acting in their official capacity. Rather, I was simply pushing back against your claim that my controversial posts were utterly uninteresting to the mods. Replying indicates interest (generally negative in this case). > [@tomndebb](#): > > I don’t care about the technical aspects of the extension. That is irrelevant. Sure it’s relevant. You said, derisively, that I “needed an external bit of software to misspell Trump’s name”. And that _would_ be absurd, if that’s what it did. As you said or at least implied, it’s perfectly easy to simply type those letters. So if I don’t explain that, it looks like I went full retard. (Yeah, yeah, I’ll save you all the time: “it looks like that anyway”. Got it. Good burn, very amusing.) > [@tomndebb](#): > > Having a poster who provides Trump-like comments provides the opportunity to refute the nonsense on which they are based. Yeah, no. That would be trenchant analysis, if it weren’t for the teensy complication that, as the arguments about the extension should make plain, you won’t find a more vehement opponent of Trump (the #whinylittlebitch) than I. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/348 "2016-07-22T16:01:27Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Rather, I was simply pushing back against your claim that my controversial posts were utterly uninteresting to the mods. Replying indicates interest :rolleyes: What he obviously meant is that your “controversial” posts (except the ones in which you stupidly keep breaking board rules) are uninteresting to the mods **_qua_ mods** , i.e., in their official capacity as moderators. So much for your vaunted “intelligence”, but then, we’ve already seen ample evidence to disbelieve your vaunts on that score. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/349 "2016-07-23T02:41:50Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > So much for your vaunted “intelligence”, but then, we’ve already seen ample evidence to disbelieve your vaunts on that score. Throw down that gauntlet, bad boy! As it happens, I’m a member in good standing of the [Triple Nine Society.](http://www.triplenine.org/WhatisTNS/AboutTNS.aspx) If you make it worth my while (like a wager of at least $20), I will prove it to you. PM me if you’re interested, but that would be a waste of your money, I assure you. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/350 "2016-07-23T02:55:42Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > As it happens, I’m a member in good standing of the [Triple Nine Society.](http://www.triplenine.org/WhatisTNS/AboutTNS.aspx) If you make it worth my while (like a wager of at least $20), I will prove it to you. 😃 No need, I find it entirely plausible that you pay money to belong to an exclusive standardized-test-score-required organization for the purpose of bragging about how smart you are. It doesn’t make your stupid arguments on this board look any less stupid. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/351 "2016-07-23T03:12:38Z")
It should make you wonder if they’re actually such stupid arguments after all. But that’s up to you. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/352 "2016-07-23T03:13:30Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Yeah, no shit, Sherlock. I never claimed or implied they were acting in their official capacity. Rather, I was simply pushing back against your claim that my controversial posts were utterly uninteresting to the mods. Replying indicates interest (generally negative in this case). We were discussing your persecution complex. The only way a mod could persecute you would be in an official capacity. On any other occasion, the Mod would be simply one poster among many noting your nonsense. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > Yeah, no. That would be trenchant analysis, if it weren’t for the teensy complication that, as the arguments about the extension should make plain, you won’t find a more vehement opponent of Trump (the #whinylittlebitch) than I. It has been noted for years that the extremes tend to look a lot alike. References to the ways in which the extreme Right and extreme Left are barely distinguishable in their misuse of power, tendency toward corruption, and tendencies to abuse people are frequent; ([Blair’s Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Blair#Blair.27s_Law), [Horseshoe Theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory), etc.) While you may oppose the man, Trump, your suggestions, the “logic” behind your suggestions, and your general temper and demeanor are all quite Trump-like. That you fail to recognizer that is simply one more indication that it is true. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/353 "2016-07-23T03:37:11Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > We were discussing your persecution complex. The only way a mod could persecute you would be in an official capacity. On any other occasion, the Mod would be simply one poster among many noting your nonsense. This is getting really tiresome, but I’ll try to spell it out one more time: (1) A bunch of mods make it crystal clear that they are incensed by the opinions I’m stating, but can’t actually do anything official in response to a civilly presented opinion. (2) At around the same time, some very ticky-tack fouls are called on me in other threads by some of the same mods. One PMs me to say that the mods have been talking about me “off board” and have decided on a “zero tolerance” policy. (3) Hmmm…coincidence? Must be. :rolleyes: We can take your insistent denial, and your mocking of my alleged paranoia or “persecution complex”, as a given, or you can go ahead and state it. But let’s not hide behind these non sequiturs about whether various posts were or were not official warnings. They establish motive, is what I’m saying. > [@tomndebb](#): > > That you fail to recognizer that is simply one more indication that it is true. :eek: Is this actually direct from Orwell, or just reminiscent of his ideas? Or am I thinking of Kafka’s _The Trial_? ::goes to Google:: [Looks like it’s Kafka.](https://books.google.com/books?id=x2_4TSvSO2gC&pg=PA139&lpg=PA139&dq=protestations+of+innocence+prove+guilt+kafka&source=bl&ots=x7eHSC6p2g&sig=KBn1YTzLr4X3SE76c5MGL3Gdm3Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj5jfCd04jOAhXHyyYKHYn0CEYQ6AEIHzAB#v=onepage&q=protestations%20of%20innocence%20prove%20guilt%20kafka&f=false) ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/354 "2016-07-23T04:17:57Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > It should make you wonder if they’re actually such stupid arguments after all. :dubious: Figures that somebody who pays dues to a high-IQ club in order to brag about his intelligence wants other people to judge his arguments based on the “prestige” of his high-IQ club rather than on their actual merits. We don’t need confirmation from your high-IQ club to know that your argument for ethnic cleansing is stupid (not to mention atrocious). ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/355 "2016-07-23T10:51:12Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Nope. Never claimed to be humble. 😛 Humourless, too… And is a sign of your superior intelligence that you fucked up the tongue smiley? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/356 "2016-07-23T11:04:49Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > This is getting really tiresome, but I’ll try to spell it out one more time: > > (1) A bunch of mods make it crystal clear that they are incensed by the opinions I’m stating, but can’t actually do anything official in response to a civilly presented opinion. > > (2) At around the same time, some very ticky-tack fouls are called on me in other threads by some of the same mods. One PMs me to say that the mods have been talking about me “off board” and have decided on a “zero tolerance” policy. > > (3) Hmmm…coincidence? Must be. :rolleyes: > > We can take your insistent denial, and your mocking of my alleged paranoia or “persecution complex”, as a given, or you can go ahead and state it. But let’s not hide behind these non sequiturs about whether various posts were or were not official warnings. They establish motive, is what I’m saying. Well, that is certainly the best evidence that I have seen that your persecution complex is nothing more than your paranoia. Every poster who employed the “Drumpf” extension that changed a quote has been given a Mod Note to stop it. A couple of posters, (you clearly among them), who have continued to use the extension after Mod Notes on the subject, have been given Warnings. You are the only poster who persistently used the extension after multiple Notes and then continued after multiple Warnings. I have seen no change in your ideas or beliefs in the several years you have been posting, and the only Mod actions taken against you have been for specific actions in which you were treated in an identical fashion to other posters engaged in the same behavior. (Well, not exactly identical: at least one poster was given a Warning after fewer Mod Notes than you received before your first Warning.) Whining about Mod actions when one has been treated no differently than other posters indicates only the level of paranoia that you have chosen to embrace while saying nothing to actually demonstrate the persecution that you erroneously claim is directed against you. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/357 "2016-07-23T12:40:39Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > This is getting really tiresome, but I’ll try to spell it out one more time: > > (1) A bunch of mods make it crystal clear that they are incensed by the opinions I’m stating, but can’t actually do anything official in response to a civilly presented opinion. Hah! This is a privately-owned and privately-owned board. The site ownership and the site management can do anything they want here. Another issue is that you really haven’t been all that civil. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/358 "2016-07-23T13:19:37Z")
The triple-nine society is mostly useful to people who are unable to demonstrate their intelligence in other ways. I can see why Slacker is so fond of it. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/359 "2016-07-23T14:14:55Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > The triple-nine society is mostly useful to people who are unable to demonstrate their intelligence in other ways. I can see why Slacker is so fond of it. \ Morons, every last one of them morons \ ---
**Author:** ![rmbnxs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b9e5f3/32.png) [@rmbnxs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rmbnxs)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/360 "2016-07-24T00:01:29Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > If philosophy and logic depend on a knowledge of shit…you’re doing it wrong. Well, I’m a philosophy prof/logician, so I tend to assume I’m doing it right, colloquialisms notwithstanding. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950.md?page=19)