# How many more attacks before the West has to consider the previously unthinkable? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 15, 2016, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950 "2016-07-15T02:38:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/361 "2016-07-24T04:22:57Z")
> [@rmbnxs](#): > > Well, I’m a philosophy prof/logician, so I tend to assume I’m doing it right, colloquialisms notwithstanding. The standing of the colloquialism was the entire basis of my point. Does your “doing it right” depend on your “knowledge of shit?” What specific variety of excrement is most applicable to Aristotelian syllogisms? Is it the same kind of dung that is associated with observational induction? How, exactly, do turds apply to epistemology? All men excrete. Socrates was a man. Therefore Socrates excreted. Huh, whaddaya know: there is at least that much relevance. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/362 "2016-07-24T06:13:12Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > This is getting really tiresome, but I’ll try to spell it out one more time: To spell it out succinctly, you’re too fucking stupid to disable an inane and childish extension, or too idiotic to monitor it’s effect, even after you have received warnings for its use. That’s an accurate summary of the situation. Personally, I have no idea what your politics are, although advocating the fascistic “solution” you propose in your OP while insisting on using an anti-Trump extension seems quite bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/363 "2016-07-24T07:42:24Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > The crucial difference is that the people you are talking about are easily dismissed as fundie fanatics, FOX News watching knuckleheads, etc. They don’t have my intelligence, wit, style, debating ability, or dispassionate restraint. You forgot to mention “striking handsomeness, exquisite charm, and a dispassionate restraint that extends to my fabulous modesty”. 😃 I don’t understand how you can claim to not like Donald Trump. He is also “very, very smart” according to the same kind of self-assessment, and he, too, thinks that his criticis are “losers”, “terrible”, and “not smart at all” and they just have it in for him for some reason, as if they were mods on a message board – you know, “haters” who have it in for the smart ones. You guys have more in common than you may think. In fact it wouldn’t surprise me if you wear an orange marmoset on your head. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > … As it happens, I’m a member in good standing of the [Triple Nine Society.](http://www.triplenine.org/WhatisTNS/AboutTNS.aspx) If you make it worth my while (like a wager of at least $20), I will prove it to you. … Pathetic. I once had an argument on another board with someone whose badge of honor was that he was a member of Mensa. Why anyone would think this is a big deal I have no idea. He was an avowed climate change denier and had no understanding of even the most basic scientific rudiments of the subject. All he had were laughable talking points from right-wing media, and surveys of public opinion (which led to me to conclude that he didn’t even understand what “science” was). But he knew he was right, because Mensa. He eventually gave up and slinked away. If you think any of your stupid arguments are bolstered by a membership card in a vanity club, you’ve been hoodwinked and should ask for your money back. ---
**Author:** ![rmbnxs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b9e5f3/32.png) [@rmbnxs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rmbnxs)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/364 "2016-07-24T14:54:08Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > The standing of the colloquialism was the entire basis of my point. > > Does your “doing it right” depend on your “knowledge of shit?” What specific variety of excrement is most applicable to Aristotelian syllogisms? Is it the same kind of dung that is associated with observational induction? How, exactly, do turds apply to epistemology? > > All men excrete. > Socrates was a man. > Therefore Socrates excreted. > > Huh, whaddaya know: there is at least that much relevance. Yeah, I got your dumb joke. Guess who else doesn’t know shit about logic? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/365 "2016-07-24T19:13:28Z")
> [@rmbnxs](#): > > guess who else doesn’t know shit about logic? We get it ! It’s Hitler ! It’s \*\*always \*\*Hitler ! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/366 "2016-07-24T20:33:54Z")
> [@rmbnxs](#): > > Yeah, I got your dumb joke. Guess who else doesn’t know shit about logic? You also appear to be bad at rhetoric, too. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/367 "2016-07-25T04:21:09Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Would someone with a persecution complex wait until they had \*\*more than 10,000 posts \*\*before they complained of persecution? That is an incredibly patient persecution complex, at any rate! Snipped and emphasized. So you have just over [5,000 posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) - does this mean we will get to hear more complaining about persecution in another 5,000 posts? Or do you mean that YOUR persecution complex is just kinda patient, instead of incredibly patient? ---
**Author:** ![Commodore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@Commodore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Commodore)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/368 "2016-07-25T08:21:54Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Catholic here, and yes it is the same God. Same God for the Jews, Muslims and us. When you look into it, it’s claiming to be the same God, but is it really truly, they all look back to the same point, but it’s when Jesus came that we can see that he is the only way to comprehend God the Father. Our Saviour’s name is Emmanuel = God with us ? that’s what he is and it’s within the trinity that we can see that he is the only way to comprehend God the Father. Emmanuel is mans Saviour and our Lord. The Holy Spirit is the point that we can understand the concept of how the 3 are as one. If one does not comprehend the 3 in one Trinity then they are lost people and at the mercy of Satan, Jews did not go the Heaven apart from the ones Jesus went and took with him and the Muslims are lost, so they don’t know God the Father so that means they are just following mans works doctrines. Mans works are just like Political Correctness, just the nonsense of mans madness trying to be god, he can’t cut it sadly and such is foolishness is like being blown about by the wind like and following trends and having or looking up to stupid idols, idolatry everywhere looking up to nonsense and being led astray, Satan leads such fools. Not to mention that he who is against Christ Jesus is of Satan, but that’s the thing, if they knew who Jesus truly was then they would follow him, but when a person has been possessed by a demonic influence, well then he is owned by such, but still there is still hope that such a one could still come to Christ. Man will reap what he sows and what is being played out now with the fools in politics and the brainwashing of the people by that whore political correctness, all are going to pay for the madness. I believe all this crap we are dealing with nowadays with terrorist is a created work of evil mad men playing a game and it’s only going to get much worse, it was unbelievable when I came across a nut case claiming to be a Christian, that wants to work towards creating WW3 now he believes he is going to be raptured up and will not have to put up with the hell caused, so the gutless filthy moron thinks he will be right, but I said all will go through the hell fire bro, the poor bastard when he finds out that you reap what you sow.:eek: Anyone who wants WW3 is mental, WW2 was hell for all them poor people, but madness of evil never learns sadly. I have come across some evil people in my time and all were self absorbed jerks. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/369 "2016-07-25T08:39:38Z")
Get back on your meds, **Commodore**. [You’ve already been pitted](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19503613&postcount=27) and I didn’t even need to say anything other than quote you. You’re a fucking self-parody. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/370 "2016-07-25T11:01:20Z")
Rather amusing that our shitlib friend **SlackerInc** should be posting this, considering he was enthusiastically (and autistically) virtue signalling the “Drumpf” unjoke on this boards yet he comes up with a solution infinitely more Islamophobic than anything the current Republican nominee has proposed, proposing a religious version of white nationalist demands for race-based states in America. More proof, as if any was needed, that there is a nontrivial segment of Trump haters who are not driven by a genuine commitment to egalitarianism and liberal value but despise him purely as an expression of bourgeois class status (the obsession with the musical _Hamilton_ is also a major indicator) against the candidate of the white proletariat. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/371 "2016-07-25T15:44:52Z")
Excuse me, what ? Trump is the candidate of the white proletariat ? He might _use_ the white proletariat, but the closest he ever came to the white proletariat was handing his keys to the parking valet. Though come to think of it he probably has guys to do that for him, too… ---
**Author:** ![rmbnxs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b9e5f3/32.png) [@rmbnxs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rmbnxs)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/372 "2016-07-25T16:36:03Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > The standing of the colloquialism was the entire basis of my point. > > Does your “doing it right” depend on your “knowledge of shit?” What specific variety of excrement is most applicable to Aristotelian syllogisms? Is it the same kind of dung that is associated with observational induction? How, exactly, do turds apply to epistemology? > > All men excrete. > Socrates was a man. > Therefore Socrates excreted. > > Huh, whaddaya know: there is at least that much relevance. Your syllogism is not categorical, as it is not well formed: 1.) the major premise does not have a categorical term in the predicate (a verb is not a categorical term); 2.) the minor premise does not have a quantifier; 3.) the conclusion has no quantifier and no categorical term in the predicate (where the major term should be). This is basic stuff, something a non-major in a mere critical thinking and discourse class would know by the end of week three. Furthermore, this is mere categorical logic, a deductive system that Fregean/mathematical/truth-functional logic superseded over a century ago. What next, you gonna toss out the names of a couple of informal fallacies and a Boolean operator or two and declare yourself Skolem? Just take a fucking nap in your armchair. The rest of your post is just silly concept dropping. C- ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/373 "2016-07-25T17:04:22Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Excuse me, what ? Trump is the candidate of the white proletariat ? He might _use_ the white proletariat, but the closest he ever came to the white proletariat was handing his keys to the parking valet. Though come to think of it he probably has guys to do that for him, too… His fanbase doesn’t even qualify, at least not based on income–they are well above the median in the U.S. (which puts them way high on a worldwide basis). A recent Buzzfeed piece nailed it, I think, when describing the typical Trump voter: “Think of a guy who has a small subcontracting business or something. Maybe he went to college, maybe he didn’t; maybe he was in the military for a while. He’s done pretty well in life but he’s never felt respected. Nobody ever looked at him like he was a winner. That’s exactly who Trump has made millions off of. That’s exactly who Trump is.” > [@tomndebb](#): > > I have seen no change in your ideas or beliefs in the several years you have been posting, and the only Mod actions taken against you have been for specific actions in which you were treated in an identical fashion to other posters engaged in the same behavior. Riiiiight. Like [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19249595#post19249595), for which I got an official warning for “personal insults”? The _very next post_ after mine says essentially the same thing, but elicited no warning. Pfffft. :rolleyes: > [@Kimstu](#): > > :dubious: Figures that somebody who pays dues to a high-IQ club in order to brag about his intelligence wants other people to judge his arguments based on the “prestige” of his high-IQ club rather than on their actual merits. > [@wolfpup](#): > > Pathetic. I once had an argument on another board with someone whose badge of honor was that he was a member of Mensa. Why anyone would think this is a big deal I have no idea. He was an avowed climate change denier and had no understanding of even the most basic scientific rudiments of the subject. All he had were laughable talking points from right-wing media, and surveys of public opinion (which led to me to conclude that he didn’t even understand what “science” was). But he knew he was right, because Mensa. He eventually gave up and slinked away. If you think any of your stupid arguments are bolstered by a membership card in a vanity club, you’ve been hoodwinked and should ask for your money back. **Wolfpup** and **Kimstu** , your sour-grapes envy is duly noted. 😉 BTW, the dues are only $10 a year. It’s the proof of IQ requirement that is truly dear: 95% of those eligible for Mensa have IQs insufficient to qualify for TNS. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Humourless, too… > > And is a sign of your superior intelligence that you fucked up the tongue smiley? 😕 Why, when I bantered right back at you (even including an emoticon to help underline that I was bantering), would you call that “humourless”? What, IYO, would have been an appropriate response from a non-humorless person? And no, I didn’t fuck up the tongue smiley (although you fucked up your sentence by leaving out a key pronoun). That’s the way I’ve always made them when typing. I think the tongue looks better with the capital P. (Before going and digging up some case where I used the other kind, please note that when the “smilies” box appears to the right of where I’m composing my post–and why is that not “always” BTW?–I often use those clickable ones.) > [@Monty](#): > > Hah! This is a privately-owned and privately-owned board. The site ownership and the site management can do anything they want here. It’s true. Same is also true of political parties. But when they are seen to flagrantly violate their own proclaimed rules and processes, it looks bad for them and thereby undermines their credibility and authority. > [@Monty](#): > > Another issue is that you really haven’t been all that civil. Sure I have. “Civil” is not the same thing as “nice” (although I \*am \*often quite nice as well). Judith Martin, aka “Miss Manners”, was a master of administering cutting remarks like a surgeon, without ever being ill-mannered. Back in the '90s, ISTR she was quite admired on the SDMB and AFCA (or was it just the latter?). But she may not be as well known today. > [@raventhief](#): > > Snipped and emphasized. > > So you have just over [5,000 posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) - does this mean we will get to hear more complaining about persecution in another 5,000 posts? Or do you mean that YOUR persecution complex is just kinda patient, instead of incredibly patient? Oops, you got me on that one. \ I knew I had passed a milestone recently but remembered wrong and didn’t bother to check. (Though when you add in all my '90s posts on the old AOL board and AFCA, who knows how many it comes to.) > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > The triple-nine society is mostly useful to people who are unable to demonstrate their intelligence in other ways. I can see why Slacker is so fond of it. Heh, you say this like you think you really got me or something. If I wanted everyone to believe I had all manner of highfalutin’ credentials and professional accomplishments, I could have easily just pretended as much (as long as I didn’t go overboard and claim to be famous). Passing for a tenured professor, like two of my best friends and both of my parents, would have been simple, given how intimately I know that world. But instead, I’ve been very candid about being a college dropout with a below-median household income, living in the middle of BFE. What does that tell you? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/374 "2016-07-25T17:12:40Z")
Missed edit window, and wanted to add: I wouldn’t shave my intellect down, not even to the plain old 99th percentile, for any amount of wealth, social or professional status. I am happy as I am, and count myself as very fortunate. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/375 "2016-07-25T17:44:47Z")
I’ve never known actual smart people to crow about their intelligence to strangers. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/376 "2016-07-25T17:48:18Z")
Your IQ reveals a capacity to learn more, and learn it quicker. So, why didn’t you? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/377 "2016-07-25T18:21:01Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’ve never known actual smart people to crow about their intelligence to strangers. You might, once or twice, but you’ll catch on. People can forgive you for pointing out that you are taller, or better looking. But not smarter. Be willing to bet the number of Mensa members on ths board exceeds the normal distribution by several standard deviants. But they won’t tell you about it because they learned the hard way not to. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/378 "2016-07-25T18:56:36Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > You might, once or twice, but you’ll catch on. People can forgive you for pointing out that you are taller, or better looking. But not smarter. > > Be willing to bet the number of Mensa members on ths board exceeds the normal distribution by several standard deviants. But they won’t tell you about it because they learned the hard way not to. Are you saying the deviants on these boards are Mensa members? Well played, sir … ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/379 "2016-07-25T19:06:47Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > **Wolfpup** and **Kimstu** , your sour-grapes envy is duly noted. 😉 BTW, the dues are only $10 a year. It’s the proof of IQ requirement that is truly dear: 95% of those eligible for Mensa have IQs insufficient to qualify for TNS. Yes, I’m envious for sure. :rolleyes: I must be especially envious because I happen to have a particularly deep loathing for fakery and pretension. I despise any insecure pompous ass too stupid or too lazy to rely on his own wits and his own mettle and resorting instead to flaunting alleged credentials in some stupid vanity club that said pompous ass is apparently obsessed with but that nobody gives a shit about. Your further posts reflect exactly the same pathetic obsessive pretentiousness. For someone as smart as you claim to be, you are astoundingly lacking in self-awareness. You appear to be trying to prove that you’re the smartest person here but those of us who have been here for even a short while know otherwise, and could name posters who are more intelligent, more knowledgeable, and far less obnoxious. The only thing you’ve actually succeeded in proving is that you truly are one weird fuckwit. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/380 "2016-07-25T19:13:18Z")
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