# How many more attacks before the West has to consider the previously unthinkable? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 15, 2016, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950 "2016-07-15T02:38:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/701 "2016-08-04T22:51:50Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > …Yeah, but…you’re not worth listening to…Actually, I don’t give a fuck what you think about anything… And yet, here you are, diving into a lengthy, verbose, point by point rebuttal. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/702 "2016-08-04T23:05:54Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > . . . The Bible is an extremely violent book, and it has inspired a lot of violence. You clearly have no trouble believing that, so why do you have such difficulty accepting the notion that Islamic scriptures can have the same effect? No one here has said that. We all acknowledge the role of Islam in Islamic extremism. We just reject that Islam, itself, is the problem. Extremism is the problem. Violent Christian extremists exist, but no one tries to blame Christianity for it. Why do you insist on blaming Islam for Islamic terrorism, but won’t condemn Christianity for Christian terrorism? It’s hard to imagine you’re actually reading these threads, given how many times this point has been repeated. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/703 "2016-08-04T23:10:11Z")
Anybody else get confused when **Trinopus** and **Tithonus** are arguing? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/704 "2016-08-04T23:13:03Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Anybody else get confused when **Trinopus** and **Tithonus** are arguing? **Trinopus** , **Tithonus** _and_ **Tripolar** are my current message board name bugbears. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/705 "2016-08-05T00:43:25Z")
Where is this murderous Christian terrorism? I blame the Osmond’s. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/706 "2016-08-05T02:21:45Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Anybody else get confused when **Trinopus** and **Tithonus** are arguing? Depressing, to be sure. I was here first… Just remember, Trinopus means “What I tell you three times is true,” whereas Tithonus was a naughty Titan who was thrown down in the Titanomachy. Or something. (Still, he got a piece of Eos’ ass, so I’m definitely jealous of that!) ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/707 "2016-08-05T08:08:22Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > No one here has said that. We all acknowledge the role of Islam in Islamic extremism. We just reject that Islam, itself, is the problem. Extremism is the problem. > > Violent Christian extremists exist, but no one tries to blame Christianity for it. Why do you insist on blaming Islam for Islamic terrorism, but won’t condemn Christianity for Christian terrorism? > > It’s hard to imagine you’re actually reading these threads, given how many times this point has been repeated. You have to repeat it because it is you that is not listening. **Both** religions carry the seed for violence, Christiantiy is also recognised as a problem. It’s just that, at the moment, the more pressing problem is Islam. Christians, at the moment, do not pose much of a problem. Your constant interjectionary yapping of “Christians did it too” is preventing a meaningful discussion about the problem at hand. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/708 "2016-08-05T08:38:41Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > **Trinopus** , **Tithonus** _and_ **Tripolar** are my current message board name bugbears. Please do NOT get into a fight with them, **Tamerlane**. We’d need color coded posts to track y’all. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/709 "2016-08-05T15:42:35Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > Your constant interjectionary yapping of “Christians did it too” is preventing a meaningful discussion about the problem at hand. What meaningful discussion has been prevented? The OP’s ethnic cleansing proposal that violates not only the constitutions of France and the U.S., but logic and common sense? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/710 "2016-08-05T18:02:26Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Where is this murderous Christian terrorism? It’s all over the place. Christians kill thousands of people in America every year. It’s just that people don’t see it as a pattern. There’s no talk of Christian crime and nobody attributes the crimes committed by Christians to Christianity. But it’s different with Islam. When Muslims kill people, it’s seen as part of a larger phenomenon. All crimes committed by Muslims are seen as part of an Islamic crime wave. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/711 "2016-08-05T20:37:22Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Where is this murderous Christian terrorism? At this time, it is mostly in Africa: currently Central African Republic and Uganda. Recently, (last decade, or so), Cote D’Ivoire, Nigeria. Going back a couple of decades: Lebanon. There are also a couple of Christian terrorist outfits in northeasterm India, but I do not know whether they are a serious movement or a couple of gangs that are clustered around some Baptist literature. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/712 "2016-08-05T21:20:57Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > You have to repeat it because it is you that is not listening. > **Both** religions carry the seed for violence, Christiantiy is also recognised as a problem. > It’s just that, at the moment, the more pressing problem is Islam. > Christians, at the moment, do not pose much of a problem. > > Your constant interjectionary yapping of “Christians did it too” is preventing a meaningful discussion about the problem at hand. You’re still missing the real point. Extremism is the problem and not either Christianity or Islam per se. Yes, there are, currently, more Islamic extremists than Christian extremists (both in absolute numbers and per capita.) But this is not “a problem with Islam.” It’s a problem with dangerous, violent, ignorant people. So, no: you fail to comprehend the purpose of mentioning Christianity, if you think “Christians did it too” is the point here. It is not. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/713 "2016-08-05T22:10:07Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Where is this murderous Christian terrorism? I blame the Osmond’s. Drones are daily manifestations Christian terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/714 "2016-08-05T23:51:16Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Drones are daily manifestations Christian terrorism. Hey now, President Obama orders those strikes and our Republican friends assure us, as recently as today, that he is _not_ a christian. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2016, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/715 "2016-08-06T00:44:38Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > **Trinopus** , **Tithonus** _and_ **Tripolar** are my current message board name bugbears. It’s easy to keep track. **Trinopus** is the one with rational, reasonable posts. **Tithonus** is an Islamophobic bigot. **Tripolar** apparently has a triple-personality disorder. ---
**Author:** ![mascaroni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mascaroni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mascaroni)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2016, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/716 "2016-08-06T01:10:27Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > …Going back a couple of decades: Lebanon… That’ll be The Lebanon that was a majority Christian country for centuries and is now a majority Islamic country, eh? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2016, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/717 "2016-08-06T01:14:44Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It’s all over the place. Christians kill thousands of people in America every year. It’s just that people don’t see it as a pattern. There’s no talk of Christian crime and nobody attributes the crimes committed by Christians to Christianity. > > But it’s different with Islam. When Muslims kill people, it’s seen as part of a larger phenomenon. All crimes committed by Muslims are seen as part of an Islamic crime wave. Bullshit. The only Muslim-committed crimes I ever hear about are ones involving mass shootings or bombings and evidence of religious motives. Are you going to tell me that Muslims never kill anyone in bar fights, or disputes over drugs, or in the process of robbing a liquor store or mugging someone? Because although I never hear about those cases, I have to think they must exist. If they do not, that is truly remarkable and something Muslims should be very proud of and tout widely. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2016, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/718 "2016-08-06T01:27:55Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > It’s easy to keep track. . . . Mil milion gracias! (I remember, early on, getting confused between you and **Watchwolf**. But I quickly learned that you were the one who made sense!) “The naming of Dopers is a difficult affair, it isn’t just one of your holiday jokes, when two are alike it just isn’t fair, and can be wholly confusing to reas’nable folks…” ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/719 "2016-08-06T02:04:14Z")
> [@mascaroni](#): > > That’ll be The Lebanon that was a majority Christian country for centuries and is now a majority Islamic country, eh? Regardless of the numerous battles that took place in the Lebanese civil war, (with Muslims killing Christians and Muslims and Christians killing Muslims and Christians), it was Christians who launched the Karantina, Sabra, and Shatila massacres. Karantina was the first large-scale attack on civilians in the war and probably prompted many subsequent reprisal attacks. Sabra and Shatila were launched against people who had been disarmed and were penned in “refugee” camps. (As to your point, it was that sort of behavior that encouraged Assad the elder to move Syria into Lebanon, resulting in the emigration of most Christians.) ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2016, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/720 "2016-08-06T04:22:43Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > It’s easy to keep track. > > **Trinopus** is the one with rational, reasonable posts. > > **Tithonus** is an Islamophobic bigot. > > **Tripolar** apparently has a triple-personality disorder. Neither of those words are insulting coming from you. It’s like being called scrawny by Chris Christie. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950.md?page=37)