# How many more attacks before the West has to consider the previously unthinkable? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 15, 2016, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950 "2016-07-15T02:38:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/161 "2016-07-16T22:19:23Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > Good lord. That’s some horrible grammar from a guy questioning another’s intelligence. … gooney goo goo. What a freakin moron. Oh the rhetoric game of the hate site quoting “Just asking questions” bigot. When you can write in your fourth language I could possibly be slightly offended. > [@Mr.Natural](#): > > I realize that some of you want to spin the thread away from the real point, but… > > [https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/terror-2016.htm](https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/terror-2016.htm) How surprising, the quote to the religious hate site, from the “Just asking questions” hate monger. > [@Wolf333](#): > > That site seems to treat any violent crime committed by a Muslim as a terrorist attack. Of course it is a known site of the religious bigots. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/162 "2016-07-16T22:24:51Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > Good lord. That’s some horrible grammar from a guy questioning another’s intelligence. English is not Ramira’s first language. Your mocking of the multi-lingual is on the level of the kindergarten playground. Basically, you can’t take what you dish out. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/163 "2016-07-16T22:41:27Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > I realize that some of you want to spin the thread away from the real point, but… > > [https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/terror-2016.htm](https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/terror-2016.htm) Nice hate site, Dung. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/164 "2016-07-16T22:45:18Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Nice hate site, Dung. To be fair, he said he wanted to get back to the OP, and linked to a bunch of hate speech. He did what he set out to do. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/165 "2016-07-16T22:48:46Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > Good lord. That’s some horrible grammar from a guy questioning another’s intelligence. > > Ok. I’ll play. > > gooney goo goo. What a freakin moron. I somehow got the impression over the years that **Ramira** is female. Apologies if I’m mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/166 "2016-07-16T22:52:27Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Isn’t the Muslim interpretation that God asked Abraham to sacrifice Ishmael? Still the same deity, though. Oops; I think you’re right. But, as you say…same entity, different stories. (When Adrian Conan Doyle, Sir Arthur’s son, wrote a book of Sherlock Holmes stories, do we say “That’s not the same Sherlock Holmes?” Of course not. Fanfic about Harry Potter is still about the same Harry Potter, even if the stories aren’t licensed.) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/167 "2016-07-16T23:43:05Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > Some of you don’t care any more about this than that it’s an opportunity to exhibit how clever and witty you are, and it’s a miserable fail. The fact that so many of you have to resort to personal attacks, the last tactic of the ignorant, makes that clear. This is the Pit, not Great Debates. You want an argument free of “personal attacks” go start a thread there. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Natural](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a9adbd/32.png) [@Mr.Natural](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Natural)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/168 "2016-07-17T00:02:40Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > This is the Pit, not Great Debates. You want an argument free of “personal attacks” go start a thread there. Did I say I wanted that? No. I only made the point that some of you would be clever dorks aren’t smart enough to debate the facts, so you resort to personal attacks. Reading comprehension isn’t difficult, except for dummies. Oh, and the point of the whole thing is… [https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/terror-2016.htm](https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/terror-2016.htm) ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/169 "2016-07-17T00:26:24Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > Oh, and the point of the whole thing is… > [https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/terror-2016.htm](https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/terror-2016.htm) Second time you’ve linked to this hate site in the last four hours. You’ve convinced no one. But keep playing. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/170 "2016-07-17T00:30:50Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > some of you would be clever dorks . . . resort to personal attacks. And this, friends, is why you must never ever use your irony meter near the Internet. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Natural](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a9adbd/32.png) [@Mr.Natural](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Natural)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/171 "2016-07-17T00:31:10Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > Second time you’ve linked to this hate site in the last four hours. You’ve convinced no one. But keep playing. Yeah. I hate they keep killing innocent people. We should convince the families of those dead that it’s no big thing. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/172 "2016-07-17T00:37:34Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > Yeah. I hate they keep killing innocent people. We should convince the families of those dead that it’s no big thing. This from a guy who supports ethnic cleansing. Sieg Heil, douchebag. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Natural](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a9adbd/32.png) [@Mr.Natural](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Natural)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/173 "2016-07-17T00:41:05Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > This from a guy who supports ethnic cleansing. Sieg Heil, douchebag. You have a link to that? Yeah. God forbid that I want terrorists to quit killing innocent people like my friend’s friends in Paris. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Natural](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a9adbd/32.png) [@Mr.Natural](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Natural)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/174 "2016-07-17T00:44:32Z")
The Islamic State claimed on Saturday that the man who attacked the seaside city of Nice was one of the group’s “soldiers.” > **[ISIS Claims Truck Attacker in France Was Its ‘Soldier’ (Published 2016)](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/17/world/europe/isis-nice-france-attack.html?_r=0)** > > Officials said the attacker, Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, may have “radicalized himself very quickly.” Four of his acquaintances have been detained. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/175 "2016-07-17T00:47:27Z")
Why is it that, if a Muslim kills someone, the U.S. Constitution doesn’t count for dogshit, but if someone uses a gun to kill someone, the Second Amendment is our most holy and sacred document ever? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/176 "2016-07-17T00:55:57Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > The Islamic State claimed on Saturday that the man who attacked the seaside city of Nice was one of the group’s “soldiers.” > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/17/world/europe/isis-nice-france-attack.html?\_r=0](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/17/world/europe/isis-nice-france-attack.html?_r=0) Of course they did. It helps their cause to make people like you hate Islam and perpetuate the us vs them mentality. It allows them to recruit the mentally unstable and isolated. Yet, according to people who knew the attacker he was Muslim in name only and didn’t give much of a shit about Islam until very very recently and was mentaly unstable. He never visited a mosque before April of this year and didn’t even fast for Ramadan. He was a guy looking for an excuse to kill people. This was convenient. This doesn’t mean Isis didn’t recruit him and turn him in 3 months, but if they did its because he was already crazy and they gave him an excuse. People who believe all Muslims are evil, was the excuse. That’s how they recruit. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Natural](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a9adbd/32.png) [@Mr.Natural](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Natural)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/177 "2016-07-17T01:01:02Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Of course they did. It helps their cause to make people like you hate Islam and perpetuate the us vs them mentality. It allows them to recruit the mentally unstable and isolated. > > Yet, according to people who knew the attacker he was Muslim in name only and didn’t give much of a shit about Islam until very very recently and was mentaly unstable. He never visited a mosque before April of this year and didn’t even fast for Ramadan. He was a guy looking for an excuse to kill people. This was convenient. > > This doesn’t mean Isis didn’t recruit him and turn him in 3 months, but if they did its because he was already crazy and they gave him an excuse. This keeps happening and you people keep making excuses. Nevermind that for the moment. How about you guys that keep making excuses advise me on how we can stop the killing. What do you propose we do? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/178 "2016-07-17T01:10:20Z")
> [@Mr.Natural](#): > > God forbid that I want terrorists to quit killing innocent people like my friend’s friends in Paris. We all want that. But not all of us take the view that all Muslims are terrorists and should be dealt with accordingly, and link to Islamophobic hate sites to prove it. > [@Mr.Natural](#): > > The Islamic State claimed on Saturday that the man who attacked the seaside city of Nice was one of the group’s “soldiers.” > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/17/world/europe/isis-nice-france-attack.html?\_r=0](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/17/world/europe/isis-nice-france-attack.html?_r=0) And yet according to that same article, the killer … had a history of petty crime going back to 2010. He received a six-month suspended sentence this year for assaulting a motorist, but was not on the radar of French intelligence agencies. Indeed, he seemed more like a surly misfit — he beat his wife, until she threw him out — than a prospective terrorist … … In Msaken, Tunisia, the attacker’s father, Mohamed Mondher Lahouaiej Bouhlel, told Agence France-Presse on Friday night that his son had depression, and that he “had almost no links to religion.” This is a common story. Most of these guys turn out to be criminals and misfits with no religious beliefs who find personal validation in self-identifying with high-profile terrorist organizations even if they actually have nothing whatsoever to do with them. I have not been participating in this thread and I have no investment in it, but having just skimmed it now I must say that your posts stand out as the ravings of a reprehensible bigoted piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/179 "2016-07-17T01:11:42Z")
Getting assholes like you to shut the fuck up would be a good start. Hate fuels hate, and Trump is being used as a recruiting tool. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Natural](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a9adbd/32.png) [@Mr.Natural](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Natural)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950/180 "2016-07-17T01:24:28Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > We all want that. But not all of us take the view that all Muslims are terrorists and should be dealt with accordingly, and link to Islamophobic hate sites to prove it. > And yet according to that same article, the killer > … had a history of petty crime going back to 2010. He received a six-month suspended sentence this year for assaulting a motorist, but was not on the radar of French intelligence agencies. Indeed, he seemed more like a surly misfit — he beat his wife, until she threw him out — than a prospective terrorist … > > … In Msaken, Tunisia, the attacker’s father, Mohamed Mondher Lahouaiej Bouhlel, told Agence France-Presse on Friday night that his son had depression, and that he “had almost no links to religion.” > This is a common story. Most of these guys turn out to be criminals and misfits with no religious beliefs who find personal validation in self-identifying with high-profile terrorist organizations even if they actually have nothing whatsoever to do with them. > > I have not been participating in this thread and I have no investment in it, but having just skimmed it now I must say that your posts stand out as the ravings of a reprehensible bigoted piece of shit. He beat his wife? Well go figure that. Just go to google and you can easily find numerous accounts of wives and daughters alike being stoned, beaten, and killed because the husbands and fathers decided they shamed him or the family. Of course it’s insane. At least by my measure, it’s insane as all hell. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-more-attacks-before-the-west-has-to-consider-the-previously-unthinkable/759950.md?page=10)