# how many NATO soldier died in the war against Serbia i 1999? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 2, 2006, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-nato-soldier-died-in-the-war-against-serbia-i-1999/355147 "2006-05-02T20:15:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Minotaurus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Minotaurus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Minotaurus)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-nato-soldier-died-in-the-war-against-serbia-i-1999/355147/1 "2006-05-02T20:15:56Z")
not exactly a debate, but more of a question I seam to remember that the causality was very low (under 10) but some serbian claim that the causality was up to 100 I know that “the truth is the first causality of war” but does anyone know any exact number over NATO causalities? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-nato-soldier-died-in-the-war-against-serbia-i-1999/355147/2 "2006-05-02T20:27:56Z")
[Zero](http://www.nato.int/docu/review/2005/issue3/english/history.html). > [@](#): > > Operation Deliberate Force was launched as soon as the last UNPROFOR troops left Bosnian Serb territory. The bombing was briefly interrupted due to a cease-fire negotiated by General Janvier on 1 September, but it resumed in the early hours of 5 September. Almost all the then 16 NATO Allies contributed in some way to the campaign, which involved a total of 3515 sorties and the dropping of 1026 bombs at 338 individual targets. There were no NATO casualties, though a French Mirage 200K was shot down on the first day of the campaign and the crew captured by the Bosnian Serbs. ---
**Author:** ![Minotaurus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Minotaurus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Minotaurus)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-nato-soldier-died-in-the-war-against-serbia-i-1999/355147/3 "2006-05-02T20:45:28Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] [Zero](http://www.nato.int/docu/review/2005/issue3/english/history.html). [/QUOTE] this is an article on NATOs own page and have therefore little credibility it must be some sources that are more neutral ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-nato-soldier-died-in-the-war-against-serbia-i-1999/355147/4 "2006-05-02T20:52:15Z")
[QUOTE=Minotaurus] this is an article on NATOs own page and have therefore little credibility [/QUOTE] Why? ---
**Author:** ![Minotaurus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Minotaurus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Minotaurus)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-nato-soldier-died-in-the-war-against-serbia-i-1999/355147/5 "2006-05-02T20:53:15Z")
[QUOTE=Hamlet] Why? [/QUOTE] neutrality ---
**Author:** ![SentientMeat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SentientMeat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SentientMeat)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-nato-soldier-died-in-the-war-against-serbia-i-1999/355147/6 "2006-05-02T20:58:31Z")
[QUOTE=Minotaurus] neutrality [/QUOTE] The North Atlantic Treaty was signed by national governments including the US - are the national governments themselves ‘neutral’ enough? How about an independent observer like the Red Cross or something? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-nato-soldier-died-in-the-war-against-serbia-i-1999/355147/7 "2006-05-02T21:02:50Z")
Here’s a case study by Col. Robert Allen (who’s currently Dean of Aeronautical Science at Embry-Riddle) of Operation Deliberate Force (in PDF), confirming no NATO casualties: > **[Harvard Kennedy School](https://www.hks.harvard.edu/)** > > By combining cutting-edge research, the teaching of outstanding students, and direct interaction with practitioners, we have an impact on solving public problems that no other institution can match. > [@](#): > > Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, Deliberate Force resulted in few casualties on > either side. Only two allied aviators were shot down and captured, the crew of a French > Mirage. None were killed. Casualties among the Serb military and non-combatant civilians > are not precisely known, but the latter were less than thirty, or about one for every thirty to > forty heavy weapons dropped. This is a notably low ratio given that many of the targets > were joint use, such as bridges, or located in or very near civilian dwellings, such as radio > (microwave) relay towers (RADRELs) and barracks. And I don’t really see why NATO would lie about its own casualties…it’s one of those things that’s easy to find out. ---
**Author:** ![Minotaurus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Minotaurus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Minotaurus)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-nato-soldier-died-in-the-war-against-serbia-i-1999/355147/8 "2006-05-02T21:18:55Z")
i was in another debate where a user wrote that a dude called Carlton Meyer claimed that the causalities was over 80 the first two weeks o NATOs side i’ve never heard about this man, how serious is this dude? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-nato-soldier-died-in-the-war-against-serbia-i-1999/355147/9 "2006-05-02T21:40:21Z")
Carlton Meyer is a retired Marine captain and frequent critic of US military policy. ---
**Author:** ![Minotaurus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Minotaurus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Minotaurus)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-nato-soldier-died-in-the-war-against-serbia-i-1999/355147/10 "2006-05-02T21:41:43Z")
[QUOTE=Captain Amazing] Carlton Meyer is a retired Marine captain and frequent critic of US military policy. [/QUOTE] ok thanks for the other article ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-nato-soldier-died-in-the-war-against-serbia-i-1999/355147/11 "2006-05-02T21:43:20Z")
That’s colonel, not captain. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Throatwarbler_Mangrove)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-nato-soldier-died-in-the-war-against-serbia-i-1999/355147/12 "2006-05-02T21:51:07Z")
Carlton Meyer runs the website/ezine [G2Mil](http://www.g2mil.com/Spring2006.htm), which is highly critical of the US military establishment and many of its’ programs. I enjoy the zine and am an avid reader but I have never encountered the claim(That there were 80 casualties for Kosovo) that you reference. Also, if there were, in fact, casualties, it would be rather difficult for NATO to cover it up. Soldiers do have names and wives/husbands/relatives, you’d think they would notice if one of them didn’t come back. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-nato-soldier-died-in-the-war-against-serbia-i-1999/355147/13 "2006-05-02T22:17:50Z")
And, for the record, the statement that there weren’t any NATO deaths wasn’t for the Kosovo mission…it was for Operation Deliberate Force, which was Nato strikes in Bosnia against the Bosnian Serbs. The bombing campaign against Serbia itself was Operation Allied Force. There were no NATO combat deaths there, either. However, two US soldiers were killed when an Apache being used in a training exercise crashed in Albania. ---
**Author:** ![Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Throatwarbler_Mangrove)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-nato-soldier-died-in-the-war-against-serbia-i-1999/355147/14 "2006-05-02T23:35:36Z")
The title of the thread is: \*_how many NATO soldier died in the war against Serbia i 1999?_ Since Op Deliberate Force was a) not against Serbia and B) in 1995, not 1999, I have no idea how that managed to come up. I assumed he meant ALLIED FORCE. ---
**Author:** ![Minotaurus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Minotaurus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Minotaurus)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2006, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-nato-soldier-died-in-the-war-against-serbia-i-1999/355147/15 "2006-05-04T18:37:06Z")
[QUOTE=kawaiitentaclebeast] The title of the thread is: \*_how many NATO soldier died in the war against Serbia i 1999?_ Since Op Deliberate Force was a) not against Serbia and B) in 1995, not 1999, I have no idea how that managed to come up. I assumed he meant ALLIED FORCE. [/QUOTE] ok how many NATO soldier died in the war against Serbia i 1999? ---
**Author:** ![Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Throatwarbler_Mangrove)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2006, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-nato-soldier-died-in-the-war-against-serbia-i-1999/355147/16 "2006-05-04T19:54:31Z")
Are you reading the replies? We just told you two posts above: > [@](#): > > The bombing campaign against Serbia itself was Operation Allied Force. There were no NATO combat deaths there, either. However, two US soldiers were killed when an Apache being used in a training exercise crashed in Albania. Allied Force is the air war against Serbia over the status of Kosovo in 1999, and presumably the operation you are asking about.