# How many people in war-torn areas actually have guns? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [July 14, 2012, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-in-war-torn-areas-actually-have-guns/628162 "2012-07-14T00:47:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-in-war-torn-areas-actually-have-guns/628162/1 "2012-07-14T00:47:28Z")
This may devolve into a GD, but since the question is technically factual I’m starting it here. In many debates about firearms, libertarianism, etc. the example of Somalia is often trotted out as what an “armed society” actually looks like. A chaos of Hobbesian savagery where guns enable the war of all against all. But is this factually correct? In another thread I opined that the armed chaos is due to a tiny minority, with few ordinary people actually possessing firearms; but I don’t have any hard figures either way. The only example I know of where it is the norm for virtually every adult male to possess a gun are the tribal societies of Pakistan. Not the most shining example but not the worst either. So does anyone know of some reliable figures for just how widespread gun ownership is in troubled regions like this? ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-in-war-torn-areas-actually-have-guns/628162/2 "2012-07-14T10:19:37Z")
There have been similar debates here before, and there doesn’t seem to be much correlation one way or the other between high rates of civilian gun ownership and political violence. Check out the chart linked in this wikipedia page. > **[Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country)** > > This is a list of countries by estimated number of privately owned guns per 100 people. The Small Arms Survey 2017 provides estimates of the total number of civilian-owned guns in a country. It then calculates the number per 100 people. This number for a country does not indicate the percentage of the population that owns guns. This is because individuals can own more than one gun. > See also: Percent of households with guns by country. It gives the percent of households with guns. It is furthe... [http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/A-Yearbook/2007/en/Small-Arms-Survey-2007-Chapter-02-annexe-4-EN.pdf](http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/A-Yearbook/2007/en/Small-Arms-Survey-2007-Chapter-02-annexe-4-EN.pdf) Countries like Japan, South Korea, and England have very low rates of civilian firearm ownership. But so do countries like Rwanda, Sierra Leone and Mali. Countries like Switzerland, Finland, and Sweden have relatively high rates of civilian firearm ownership. But so do countries like Yemen, Iraq, and Serbia. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-in-war-torn-areas-actually-have-guns/628162/3 "2012-07-14T19:30:37Z")
I don’t think anyone claimed countries with many guns are necessarily violent. Even Moore in _Bowling for Columbine_ points out that Canada has many guns without America’s violence. In another thread I saw a claim that Somalia probably had lowish gun ownership. I don’t have reliable sources, but a little Googling raises doubt. [One site](http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/somalia) shows “The rate of private gun ownership in Somalia is 9.13 firearms per 100 people.” Of course, due to multiple ownerships, that doesn’t mean 9.13 persons are armed and, anyway, that rate seems relatively low. [One page](http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/my-first-ak-47-kids-awarded-guns-in-somali-recruitment-game-a-788434.html) shows > [@](#): > > A radio station operated by the Al-Shabab militant group ran a quiz for children and youths earlier this month in which the main prize was an AK-47 assault rifle plus the equivalent of $700 and religious books. > > The second prize was an AK-47 plus $500 and religious literature. The third prize was two hand grenades and $400. The prizes were recently handed over to the winning contestants by Shabab leader Sheikh Moktar Robow Abu Mansur at a location near the capital, Mogadishu. > > “Children should have one hand on the Koran but the other on a rifle to defend Islam,” he said. [Or](http://www.thestar.com/article/594793--somalia-a-land-of-chaos-awash-in-weapons) > [@](#): > > After two decades of anarchy, guns have become ingrained in Somali society. > > “There’s no economy … so we use guns to rob people to feed our families,” a militia member in a Somali border town admitted to Saywell. Another added chillingly: “We steal things and rape women with them.” > > When Somalia’s government collapsed in 1991, a stockpile of weapons systems and ammunition was up for grabs, … “Militias took control of the stocks and Somalia became one of the most heavily armed societies, no longer a state but people holding weapons and a brutal civil war.”