# How many people would go see a movie made by Ann Coulter? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 3, 2004, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422 "2004-07-03T22:29:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422/81 "2004-07-05T00:30:42Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > [don’t know what you were trying to say because yuo mangled it, but probably some babble about toeing the line anyway] > [@](#): > > But at least you are admitting that F911 is nothing but propaganda. There _is_ hope for, if you just stick with it. Right. Now once you admit that propaganda can be true, we can move on with life. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422/82 "2004-07-05T00:38:03Z")
Speaking of mangling quotes?.. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422/83 "2004-07-05T00:39:16Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Speaking of mangling quotes?.. Looked right to me. Gonna admit that propaganda can be right now? ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422/84 "2004-07-05T00:50:11Z")
> [@Zagadka](#): > > Looked right to me. Tsk, tsk! Intentionally misquoting is a no-no, you know. But I expect such childish tactics from Moore-ons. Not the first time the board Left has intentionally misquoted me., and certainly won’t be the last. > [@](#): > > Gonna admit that propaganda can be right now? Sure. _Triumph of the Will_ had many accurate scenes. I would certainly place _F911_ right up next to it, in terms of objectivity, accuracy, and intent. ---
**Author:** ![jamcracker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7993a0/32.png) [@jamcracker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jamcracker)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422/85 "2004-07-05T00:54:16Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Come to think of it, when David Brock wrote his hack-job insinuating that Hillary Clinton had Vince Foster killed, which was a work much like what Moore does (selecting only the evidence that can make his case, drawing tenuous conspiracies, guilt through association, etc), I don’t recall the left going, “well, it’s clearly biased, but it does raise interesting questions. Everyone should read this book!” The left ignored Brock’s work when it was released because it was lies and propaganda, bought and paid for by the conservative movement. Brock himself admitted as much in the prologue to _Blinded By the Right_: > [@David Brock](#): > > This is a terrible book. It is about lies told and reputations ruined. It is about what the conservative movement did, and what I did, as we plotted in the shadows, disregarded the law, and abused power to win even greater power. > > . . . > > Though I do not know if these wrongs can ever be righted, in this or any other way, I wrote this book as an act of conscience, to correct the public record on events in which I played a central role and to illuminate for others the dangers I see in an empowered conservative movement. How a man won a Supreme Court seat that I later learned he should never have won, how a lavishly funded campaign of political terrorism and propaganda disabled a presidency – . . . The left was right: Brock’s work was propaganda. Brock has since admitted it and [changed sides](http://www.mediamatters.org). It’s just silly to compare Moore’s work to that of an admitted conservative progandist. > [@Sam Stone](#): > > Have you seen those interviews on the Daily Show? Ever notice just how crazy they can make people look? . . . The Daily Show is a comedy show. It’s like Saturday Night Live. Ya know? A comedy show. Comedy shows do things to fool people. Like Candid Camera would hide a camera and engineer a hilarious situation. What does the Daily Show have to do with Moore’s work? ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422/86 "2004-07-05T00:55:05Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Tsk, tsk! Intentionally misquoting is a no-no, you know. But I expect such childish tactics from Moore-ons. Not the first time the board Left has intentionally misquoted me., and certainly won’t be the last. That isn’t a misquote, it was in brackets. You know, like when you are replacing what someone mumbled with something accurate. Pooor victimized Brutus. > [@](#): > > Sure. Then we’re in agreement. F-9/11 may or may not be propaganda, but that has no relevence on the accuracy of its content (which you still do not know and have no basis to comment upon). ---
**Author:** ![Hrd2hndl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8dc957/32.png) [@Hrd2hndl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hrd2hndl)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422/87 "2004-07-05T01:00:15Z")
> [@Zagadka](#): > > (which you still do not know and have no basis to comment upon). some do not have a need to know. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422/88 "2004-07-05T01:02:50Z")
> [@Zagadka](#): > > That isn’t a misquote… Actually, it was. You ‘quoted’ and intentionally typed in something other than what I said. Like I said, no biggee. It has happened before, and will happen again. Such are the ways of people like you. > [@](#): > > Then we’re in agreement. F-9/11 may or may not be propaganda, but that has no relevence on the accuracy of its content (which you still do not know and have no basis to comment upon). Don’t weasal on me now, kid. You already admitted that _F911_ was propaganda, no backing off on that. And just like _Triumph of the Will_, it may be chock full of technically accurate snippets, but they arranged in such a way as to make the whole work a sham. Propaganda, designed to pimp a POV, not to inform or educate. Why can’t you guys just admit that simple fact? ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422/89 "2004-07-05T01:05:21Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Actually, it was. You ‘quoted’ and intentionally typed in something other than what I said. Like I said, no biggee. It has happened before, and will happen again. Such are the ways of people like you. No skin off my teeth if you don’t understand reference and quoting standards. Your behavior is that of a seventh grader, but your knowledge is at least tenth! > [@](#): > > Don’t weasal on me now, kid. You already admitted that _F911_ was propaganda, no backing off on that. You may view it so. In order to do so, you would have to make it qualify as “systematic”… > [@](#): > > And just like _Triumph of the Will_, it may be chock full of technically accurate snippets, but they arranged in such a way as to make the whole work a sham. Propaganda, designed to pimp a POV, not to inform or educate. > > Why can’t you guys just admit that simple fact? OK, fine, if you’ll admit that F-9/11 is true. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422/90 "2004-07-05T01:20:00Z")
[QUOTE=Zagadka] …Your behavior is that of a seventh grader, but your knowledge is at least tenth! [quote] Devolved to grade school, have you? It’s like _Flowers for Algernon_ before my very eyes. > [@](#): > > You may view it so. In order to do so, you would have to make it qualify as “systematic”… Adding in your own qualifiers? What sort of bullshit is that? Lets stick with the dictionary definition of [propaganda:](http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=propaganda&x=0&y=0) > [@](#): > > 2 : the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person > 3 : ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one’s cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect Yep. F911 is propaganda. > [@](#): > > OK, fine, if you’ll admit that F-9/11 is true. It is ‘true’ in the same sense that _Triumph of the Will_ is ‘true’, no more, possibly less. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422/91 "2004-07-05T01:24:31Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Adding in your own qualifiers? What sort of bullshit is that? Lets stick with the dictionary definition of [propaganda:](http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=propaganda&x=0&y=0) Funny, Brutus, don’t you usually use [dictioanry.com](http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=propaganda)? No matter. F-9/11 may indeed be propaganda - “Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause” Fine by me. (BTW, you seem to have messed up your quotes again. I would fix it for you, but you would cry about it for HOURS.) > [@](#): > > It is ‘true’ in the same sense that _Triumph of the Will_ is ‘true’, no more, possibly less. On one hand, you haven’t seen it, you have no qualification to say if it is true or not. However, whatever. Thank you for accepting the factual basis of Mr. Moore’s proaganda. I do hope that we will hear no more crying about Mr. Moore lying from you, though we have yet to convince Mr. Stone of this fact. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422/92 "2004-07-05T01:48:56Z")
**Jamcracker** said: > [@](#): > > The left was right: Brock’s work was propaganda. Brock has since admitted it and changed sides. > > It’s just silly to compare Moore’s work to that of an admitted conservative progandist. Moore is EXACTLY like David Brock. So the left dismisses or attacks propaganda which doesn’t fit its world view, but embraces that which does. This is not unique to the left. The right does the same thing. Just admit that you like the movie because it gores an ox you desperately want gored, and because it does so you’re willing to overlook the fact that it is a dishonest piece of slanted propaganda. > [@](#): > > The Daily Show is a comedy show. It’s like Saturday Night Live. Ya know? A comedy show. Comedy shows do things to fool people. Like Candid Camera would hide a camera and engineer a hilarious situation. What does the Daily Show have to do with Moore’s work? Yes, I know. I said so in my message. My point was that the same techniques the Daily Show uses to skewer its guest are employed by Moore for much more insidious reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422/93 "2004-07-05T01:55:02Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Moore is EXACTLY like David Brock. So the left dismisses or attacks propaganda which doesn’t fit its world view, but embraces that which does. > > This is not unique to the left. The right does the same thing. Just admit that you like the movie because it gores an ox you desperately want gored, and because it does so you’re willing to overlook the fact that it is a dishonest piece of slanted propaganda. As friend **Brutus** has agreed, it is most certainly an accurate piece of propaganda, slanted though the truth may be. ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422/94 "2004-07-05T02:23:25Z")
[Moderator Hat ON] Zagadka, Brutus, deal with your personal issues in the Pit. You have several posts in this thread that are no more than swipes at each other, and I don’t care who started it, you’re both ending it. That goes for all of you. Brutus, don’t call posters “Moore-on[s]”. Zagadka, don’t imply Brutus is a seventh-grader. Hrd2hndl, do not use the Putz! smilie at another poster in Great Debates. This thread is such a damn mess and lightning rod for partisian bickering that I’m tossing it to the Pit. You guys can flame each other all you like there. [Moderator Hat OFF] ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422/95 "2004-07-05T02:26:35Z")
I don’t have any personal issues. I’m glad that Brutus was able to see the glorious light of the truth and finally accept F-9/11 as the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422/96 "2004-07-05T02:36:44Z")
> [@Zagadka](#): > > I don’t have any personal issues. I’m glad that Brutus was able to see the glorious light of the truth and finally accept F-9/11 as the truth. You really are like a stupid little child, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422/97 "2004-07-05T02:42:54Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > You really are like a stupid little child, aren’t you? Stupid like a **FOX**! Seem to have backed you into a nice little corner. I plan to feed you Cheeze-Its and dress you in a bonnet while you’re there. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422/98 "2004-07-05T02:46:43Z")
See what you’ve done! Now, if I want to speculte further on the potential of the delightfully equine Ms. Coulter as an _auteur_, I have to go slumming in the Pit! (Better check and make sure my shots are up to date…) Bring it on! Bring it on, most definitely! Surely there’s enough money out there in the howling right to finance a Coulter movie. Pretty sure it would crater, but it would be interesting to see what happens, no matter what. But someone’s gonna have to teach her how to blink. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422/99 "2004-07-05T02:48:05Z")
By the way, you are given a blank canvas, and “you’re stupid” is the best insult you can come up with? Maybe I shouldn’t take too much pride in this victory. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422/100 "2004-07-05T02:56:27Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > See what you’ve done! Now, if I want to speculte further on the potential of the delightfully equine Ms. Coulter as an _auteur_, I have to go slumming in the Pit! Sorry, the bait was too tempting. But hte fireball was pretty cool, right? Come to think of it, this is my first visit to the Pit. I sure hope **Brutus** doesn’t follow up on “Moore-on” and “stupid” with “dorkus malorkus”… don’t think I could handle that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-people-would-go-see-a-movie-made-by-ann-coulter/253422.md?page=6)