# How many strikes does Collounsbury get? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 13, 2003, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224 "2003-07-13T20:14:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224/81 "2003-07-14T05:59:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sam Stone \* > \*\*This board has an unusually high number of abrasive left-wing people. Far more than you’ll find on the right, who are generally courteous. Even December, who I agree can be frustrating at times, is unfailingly polite, even though he takes FAR more abuse than he deserves. > > But on the left, we have: > > \*\*Collounsbury > etc etc \*\* \*\* Umm… not to doubt you Sam, but do you _really_ consider Col a “lefty”? I can see he is liberal on some issues, but across the board he strikes me as more of a cynical, pragmatic realist than almost anyone else here. His knife edged cynicism about the true nature of man, God and society makes most of the self identified “conservative” posters, including yourself, look like happy little rosy cheeked babies by comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Zenster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/cdc98d/32.png) [@Zenster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zenster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224/82 "2003-07-14T06:21:55Z")
Imputing drooling idiocy to a post is completely different from calling someone a drooling idiot. Those incapable of recognizing the difference need to grow a thicker hide. I have declared the posts of others in my “The Abomination that is Original Sin” thread to be “puling inanity.” Did any mods pull me up short? Hell no, and I did not call the poster I was referring to a puling idiot or anything like it, even if he was proclaiming Stalin to be a great leader. Drooling idiocy is a personal assessment or description of the value contained within another’s post. It has nothing to do with the personal character of the poster. After numerous posts that actually contain drooling and idiotic content, a sufficient number of us will reach our own decisions without the need for external input. **Gaudere** , is this what you were saying? ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224/83 "2003-07-14T06:35:15Z")
If it is, here’s the five dollars I almost\* bet on **milroyj** ’s searching parameters that if she says yes, he’ll “read” that as **Col** getting special priviledges, and if she says no he’ll throw a hufe fit. \*Nobody took the bet. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224/84 "2003-07-14T06:38:24Z")
Er, please disregard “if it is” in my post. I started it one way and ended up finishing it another, as is evident:) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224/85 "2003-07-14T06:57:51Z")
Well what have we here? Milly wetting his diapers again. And the usual hangers on. First, I find it charming that Milly chooses simply to regurgitate Sam’s tendentiously self serving whinging summary of my exchange with december, rather than the entire conversation. I rather believe that is instructive. Let me reproduce, in total. Beginning on 6 July: > [@](#): > > Originally posted by december > > > [@](#): > > > > - Originally posted by Collounsbury \* > > Well to be perfectly accurate, our Blog Spotter Extraordinaire is not an actual BBC consumer, nor has he ever been. The annoyance is an indirect effect, via his Blog and Conservo-Pundit Spotting. > > Exactly. Just as many Dopers have an animus against Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter, although they are not consumers of those two sources. No argument from our december, he does not claim knowledge of BBC nor of the system…. Nor anything relevant really. To which I replied > [@](#): > > Well the differnce being my dear fellow, that one can relatively easily get up to speed with Coulter by perusing her pieces, it is the work of one person. > > You, however, are a self-confessed non-consumer of BBC and by your many threads on the subject rather display a deep and unsettling ignorance of the channel. Rather as if I started going round opining on say Fox’s channels in LA or some such, which I have never ever seen. > > In short, it would behoove you to obtain some glimmer of an understanding and familiarity with the subject before rambling in blithe and self contained ignorance on as you so habilitualy do. Interjection by Abe followed, which allowed december his sally: > [@](#): > > One can, but does one? > > E.g., in the post under yours, Abe blasts Coulter without indicating that he has read her books and articles and without giving examples of her alleged “lame-brained opinions without any grasp of the larger picture.” Abe also blasts BBC Watch as allegedly biased and not deserving of attention, also with no basis. If he had read their reports, he would have discovered many dozens or cited quotes from BBC broadcasts with analysis of comparable coverage. > > Note also that Ann Coulter has no legal or moral obligation to be non-partisan. OTOH the BBC is obliged to report accurately and impartially in accordance with the terms of its Charter. > > Regardless of my understanding of the BBC, this thread is about a factual prediction: _“What will the British government do about the BBC?”_ > > Abe did make a good point: the BBC has been attacked like this before (whether fairly or not) and emerged unscathed. So, history gives a reason to predict that they’ll weather these attacks without damage as well. Their charter comes up for renewal in 2006. We shall see whether they suffer any adverse consequences from this contretemps. Which followed by my response, which in its entirety was: > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally posted by december > > One can, but does one? > > Well, that’s not the question, the real question is your complete and utter ignorance (and usual shifting around.) > > > [@](#): > > > > E.g., in the post under yours, Abe blasts Coulter without indicating that he has read her books and articles and without giving examples of her alleged “lame-brained opinions without any grasp of the larger picture.” > > Non example my dear fellow, although part and parcel of your usual dodgery. You may engage Abe to prove that he in fact is not aware of Coulter’s various and sundry writings, however we already know from your extensive blundering about like a blind elephant that you know little to nothing about the BBC. > > > [@](#): > > > > Abe also blasts BBC Watch as allegedly biased and not deserving of attention, also with no basis. If he had read their reports, he would have discovered many dozens or cited quotes from BBC broadcasts with analysis of comparable coverage. > > You can take that up with Abe, although I frankly do not see much point in his wasting his time with you and your tar baby defences. Abe’s knowledge or not of a partisan site attacking BBC is of no relevance to your ignorance. > > > [@](#): > > > > Note also that Ann Coulter has no legal or moral obligation to be non-partisan. OTOH the BBC is obliged to report accurately and impartially in accordance with the terms of its Charter. > > Woo Hooo. > > Again, this is of little to know [_sic_] relevance to your ignorance nor the fact you continue to launch attacks on a media outlet you know almost nothing about, except for second hand partisan tripe. We all understand very well your delicate ultra-Zionist sensibilities are the real source of whatever interest you have in BBC. Now as we can see, the exchange was indeed about december’s lack of knowledge about the subject – he self-confessedly knows little to nothing about the BBC – but energetically adopts some random of no provenance website’s attacks on the BBC with his typical tenacity. Now, if you have followed december’s small obsession with the BBC, you would know that chief among the motivations is his dearly held belief that the BBC is anti-Israel. We can add France to the list of entities December takes interest in more or less on that ground. It is a point of considerable and self-confessed interest to our Dear Blog Spotter Extraordinaire. However, neither does december know very much about. Indeed as you can see from the exchange, december makes no pretension about this – rather charmingly in a sense – and then moved on to try to shift the game in his habitual manner, like a punch drunk boxer. He tried to shift the ignorance off on to Abe with the implication that Abe was as ignorant of Coulter (in terms of body of work etc) as december is of BBC, and therefore my criticism of himself obviated I would expect. The ‘sinful’ reply was simply in response to that – and the reality is what it is. Now my little ‘fans’ got all excited, thought there was blood in the water. Wouldn’t they be so happy to see me booted, on any excuse at all. Clearly they would. However, as to the source of this tempest, Sam, well the issue arises from an exchange where I did get off point and somewhat gratuitously raised a series of points more germane to Sam’s blundering relationship with facts than the point on hand. Unlike my exchange with december. That’s been dealt with, I confessed my sin. Pity, it spoiled an opportunity to run through Sam’s claims and predictions regarding Iraq, the re-imagining of which is still in progress. But my dear Sam loves to whinge on about complaints being unfair, he seems to have a troubled relationship with criticism and hard debate to begin with. I’m also amused Sam likes to play his usual straw man game (I believe we’re all familiar with his “You guys” responses wherein he selects the most atrocious and idiotic argument in the thread to rebut, or some straw man derivative thereof, and sets it up in a manner that implies all his opponents are arguing thus. Saves him the trouble of the full on engagement of the real criticisms.). Among the pack of harsh mean lefties on the Board. Now of course I’m a leftist. A lefty! Oh that is very rich indeed. I suppose the justification is that I am to the Left of the National Review, closer to a minty green than some drooling pundit-blogger like Coulter. Standards indeed. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224/86 "2003-07-14T07:09:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gorsnak \* > \*\*Ah, but you’ve neglected the fact that **manhattan** and **Collounsbury** hold views so similar that they could easily be mistaken as a single person. 😃 \*\* We do? Maybe on economics and trade. ---
**Author:** ![Truth\_Seeker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5fc32e/32.png) [@Truth\_Seeker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truth_Seeker)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224/87 "2003-07-14T07:44:42Z")
**Collounsbury** Your problem here is that your presentation is either too nuanced or too elliptical. Your “fan club” as you put it, is, apparently, uncomfortable with arguments that don’t look good on a bumber sticker. Allow me to translate. With respect to your post regarding **December** and the BBC, the translation would be: > [@](#): > > **December, you don’t watch the BBC. You don’t listen to the BBC. You don’t read the BBC’s website. You don’t actually know ANYTHING about the BBC. You’re just pissed because the BBC doesn’t believe the sun shines out of Ariel Sharon’s ass.** See, this is much more pithy. While it loses a bit of the subtlety, it is both hard to misinterpret and easier to remember. Know your audience! It is also perfectly legitimate argument and not a personal attack on a poster by any stretch of the imagination, any more than calling for (or attacking) a cite is a personal attack on a poster’s integrity. With respect to your post regarding **lucwarm** , remarking that he was “characteristically wrong” was too elliptical. Apparently, he thought that “characteristically” meant you were attacking his character! What you _should_ have said was, > [@](#): > > \*\*There you go again, lucwarm! \*\* What’s bothering many of you in the “fan club” is not that **C** has been overly aggressive and personally insulting – he’s actually been pretty relaxed from what I’ve seen since his return. What bothers you is that he has the patience – or perhaps the impatience – to butt heads with you over the same silliness that he’s already butted heads with you on a dozen times already. As for me, I’ve pretty much given up. My **December** tolerance, for example, is now quite high, especially since **Coldfire** posted his guide to **December’s** modus operandi. It was so spot on, that I recognized the futility of further argument. You should never try and teach a pig to sing. It won’t work and it annoys the pig. **Collounsbury** apparently hasn’t learned this valuable lesson. Maybe he should, 'cause it hasn’t worked and y’all are pretty annoyed. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224/88 "2003-07-14T07:54:46Z")
Bull fucking shit Guadre. Insulting someones post is the exact damn thing as insulting them. If one says that a post resembles the writing of a three year old technically he is attacking the post but he is more directly attacking the poster saying he has the writing ability of three year old. If the boards administration wants to put their hands over their eyes and pretend like Collunsbury isn’t attacking people and ignore them that is certainly their right. But don’t try to justify it with bullshit. Posters on this board are smarter than that. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224/89 "2003-07-14T07:57:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sam Stone \* > \*\*This board has an unusually high number of abrasive left-wing people. Far more than you’ll find on the right, who are generally courteous. Even December, who I agree can be frustrating at times, is unfailingly polite, even though he takes FAR more abuse than he deserves. > > But on the left, we have: > > **Collounsbury > ElvisL1ves > Tejota > Diogenes the Cynic > rjung > elucidator > minty green**\*\* Just to recap then: The people you agree with are paragons of virtue and unfailingly polite. Those you disagree with are abrasive and insulting. Who the hell’s going to flame you after that? I’m not sure how I could begin to say something more insulting to your intelligence than your own post. ---
**Author:** ![rmbnxs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b9e5f3/32.png) [@rmbnxs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rmbnxs)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224/90 "2003-07-14T08:23:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by treis \* > **…Insulting someones post is the exact damn thing as insulting them…** Your post is fucking moronic. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224/91 "2003-07-14T09:53:26Z")
Coll > [@](#): > > Now my little ‘fans’ got all excited, thought there was blood in the water. Wouldn’t they be so happy to see me booted, on any excuse at all. Clearly they would. We all understand very well your delicate anti-Zionist sensibilities are the real source of whatever interest you have in all this. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224/92 "2003-07-14T09:58:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\*Coll > > We all understand very well your delicate anti-Zionist sensibilities are the real source of whatever interest you have in all this. \*\* Nice try, form isn’t bad but overall lacks in content. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224/93 "2003-07-14T10:01:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Collounsbury \* > \*\*We do? Maybe on economics and trade. \*\* Well, and the fact that you both do amazing impersonations of Marlene Dietrich. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224/94 "2003-07-14T10:08:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Collounsbury \* > \*\*Nice try, form isn’t bad but overall lacks in content. \*\* Damnation! :eek: I couldn’t agree more! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224/95 "2003-07-14T10:09:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by erislover \* > \*\*No special treatment, but I do like the guy a lot. He should stick to the pit, period. Enough debating goes on here. \*\* With you. When December stops or is held accountable for his trolling I expect C will lighten up. ---
**Author:** ![Creative\_Munster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/919ad9/32.png) [@Creative\_Munster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Creative_Munster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224/96 "2003-07-14T10:12:57Z")
Collounsbury was born in the wrong country and with the wrong nationality. A kid from New Jersey writing like he is a British foreign minister with an attitude. I spend most of my time vomiting and racked with pity when I read his sorry excuses for postings. I respect nothing what he says. And to those who look up to him: You can find better heroes. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224/97 "2003-07-14T10:15:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mockingbird \* > \*\*Well, and the fact that you both do amazing impersonations of Marlene Dietrich. \*\* What?! I’m afraid it’s not a talent of mine. I do believe we both look to coffee grounds for inspiration however. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224/98 "2003-07-14T10:18:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\*Damnation! :eek: I couldn’t agree more! 😉 \*\* Well it was thin material. I think the mistake is to go for the anti-Zionist part, which will it does have versimiltude lacks oomph, in my reading. But on the other hand it’s a hard one to substitute. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224/99 "2003-07-14T10:22:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Creative\_Munster \* > \*\*Collounsbury was born in the wrong country and with the wrong nationality. A kid from New Jersey writing like he is a British foreign minister with an attitude. I spend most of my time vomiting and racked with pity when I read his sorry excuses for postings. I respect nothing what he says. And to those who look up to him: You can find better heroes. \*\* Ahem, I’m not from New Jersey. Really that’s hitting below the belt to level such an accusation. I have upon occasion had the misforture of driving through and occasionally visiting New Jersey, but only for periods of less than 72 hours. Otherwise, perhaps you should seek medical treatment. I sounds like you may have giardia. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224/100 "2003-07-14T10:36:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Collounsbury \* > **Ahem, I’m not from New Jersey.** Perhaps he’s mistaking you for December? Fairly easy mistake to make, as you really do have similar views and posting styles. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-many-strikes-does-collounsbury-get/188224.md?page=6)