# How might this super-paranoid Trump scenario play out? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 9, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-might-this-super-paranoid-trump-scenario-play-out/819354 "2018-08-09T17:55:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-might-this-super-paranoid-trump-scenario-play-out/819354/21 "2018-08-10T11:43:05Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > “Properly”? I’m curious as to how you are envisioning a nuclear strike on North Korea would happen without NK having enough warning of incoming missiles to fire on Seoul (assuming all those batteries of weapons pointed at Seoul are as functional as believed). Stealth bombers could do it, in theory. No advance warning, unlike an ICBM (and I doubt North Korea has over-the-horizon radar like America’s Pave Paws either to see ICBMs.) ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-might-this-super-paranoid-trump-scenario-play-out/819354/22 "2018-08-10T12:49:49Z")
That’s total nonsense. There are probably thousands of artillery pieces within range of Seoul, many of them in hardened bunkers built into mountains. It would take time to eliminate them – you don’t just get to wave a magic wand and say “stealth will do it!” when you’re talking about the challenge of delivering warheads to many, many, many targets that are not easily targeted. It will quite simply take time to annihilate all these threats, and having an invisible aircraft is probably of marginal utility compared to having very good counter-battery fire (in which the Norks fire something, our radars accurately pinpoint where it came from, and our artillery shoots something back and hope the bad guys haven’t retreated back into the mountain before that counterfire lands). To give you a sense of what we’re talking about here, one giant volley of North Korean artillery would deliver about as big a punch to Seoul as a dozen B-52s. That’s just one volley. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-might-this-super-paranoid-trump-scenario-play-out/819354/23 "2018-08-10T13:17:19Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > A far likelier scenario is that of a large domestic terrorism incident, false-flagged to Antifa, days before the election so that people only have time to react to it viscerally, rather than intellectually. Remember, you heard it here first. Or MS-13, or BLM … ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-might-this-super-paranoid-trump-scenario-play-out/819354/24 "2018-08-10T13:17:41Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > That’s total nonsense. There are probably thousands of artillery pieces within range of Seoul, many of them in hardened bunkers built into mountains. It would take time to eliminate them – you don’t just get to wave a magic wand and say “stealth will do it!” when you’re talking about the challenge of delivering warheads to many, many, many targets that are not easily targeted. It will quite simply take time to annihilate all these threats, and having an invisible aircraft is probably of marginal utility compared to having very good counter-battery fire (in which the Norks fire something, our radars accurately pinpoint where it came from, and our artillery shoots something back and hope the bad guys haven’t retreated back into the mountain before that counterfire lands). > > To give you a sense of what we’re talking about here, one giant volley of North Korean artillery would deliver about as big a punch to Seoul as a dozen B-52s. That’s just one volley. I was referring to stealth bombers dropping a nuke on Pyongyang. Not anything about artillery. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-might-this-super-paranoid-trump-scenario-play-out/819354/25 "2018-08-10T14:08:55Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I was referring to stealth bombers dropping a nuke on Pyongyang. Not anything about artillery. The point still stands. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-might-this-super-paranoid-trump-scenario-play-out/819354/26 "2018-08-10T14:14:14Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > If you’re going to suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome, might as well have some fun with it, right? I received a warning for a “political jab” a few days ago. This has been here for almost 24 hours, and no comment from any Mod about this? Whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-might-this-super-paranoid-trump-scenario-play-out/819354/27 "2018-08-10T14:32:56Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > I received a warning for a “political jab” a few days ago. This has been here for almost 24 hours, and no comment from any Mod about this? > > Whatever. Maybe because I’m referring to my \*own \*TDS? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-might-this-super-paranoid-trump-scenario-play-out/819354/28 "2018-08-10T20:35:25Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > I received a warning for a “political jab” a few days ago. This has been here for almost 24 hours, and no comment from any Mod about this? > > Whatever. Also not to junior mod, but your warning was in “General Questions” not “Great Debates”. Different forums have different rules. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-might-this-super-paranoid-trump-scenario-play-out/819354/29 "2018-08-10T22:28:24Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > That’s total nonsense. There are probably thousands of artillery pieces within range of Seoul, many of them in hardened bunkers built into mountains. It would take time to eliminate them – you don’t just get to wave a magic wand and say “stealth will do it!” Stealth-delivered nukes will. If you’re going to nuke PY then you might as well use more nukes to save Seoul. ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-might-this-super-paranoid-trump-scenario-play-out/819354/30 "2018-08-13T01:08:30Z")
Downtown Seoul is about 4 miles from the border and 2.5 more miles from the artillary bunkers. look up what kind of radioactive cloud would be created from the kind of ground bursts that would be necessary to disable all the batteries. Seoul will be uninhabitable for decades at least. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-might-this-super-paranoid-trump-scenario-play-out/819354.md?page=1)