How much better will (can?) special effects get?

I think Tron still looks fine, because it didn’t even try to look realistic. It’s deliberately unreal looking, so the fact that it looks unreal compared to modern CGI doesn’t hurt it at all.

As for future advancements; simulating human/animal movement well enough to eliminate any need for motion capture comes to mind. Eventually, replacing more and more of the movie creation process until just one or two or a small team of people can make them, ideally with not too expensive equipment. If computers can handle enough of the load that a few dedicated people can make high quality movies for relatively cheap, instead of it taking a huge studio for tens of millions then the whole industry would be drastically changed, and I think become much more creative. More like books; the product of one or just a few people, and cheap enough to allow much more experimentation and niche products.

That was true at the time. The character animations in Spider-Man was stick-out bad. Having a big budget doesn’t necessarily mean that you’ll have the talent to recognize good animation, nor does it mean that you’ll end up with an animation studio that has good animators. Sometimes big brands end up hiring the crappy new guy because someone gave them a good sales pitch.

I went to a talk by the Animation Director for the first two Spidey films, and he hated motion capture so much he deliberately had all the animation done by hand. He said “I can tell when it’s motion capture” but my argument is “I can tell when it’s hand animated and looks like a rag doll. At least motion capture looks human.”

He didn’t do number 3, or any other film of any significance since then.

It’s not really a remake though, it’s a sequel. And there have been plenty of sequels made improving on f/x where the sequel outdid the original. Terminator 2, Road Warrior, Aliens, …

Much as I love the original King Kong (along with all stop-motion animation, and the films of Willis O’Brien and Ray Harryhausen), I’m not going to say that it was better than Peter Jackson’s film, which I love. If Obie could have done what Jackson’s technicians did in the remake, he would have.

What we’re seeing is the maturation of the process of film effects. In O’Brien’s day, extending through Harryhausen’s, you used all your cleverness and technique to produce effects that could surprise not only the film-going public, but also other effects technicians. There are layers of effects in there, all carefully crafted and pushing the envelope of capability. But it’s all dependent upon careful use of technology and art. A 5 minute piece of animation still depended upon the day-long effort of a single animator. If interupted, he could lose his focus and that day’s effort was lost.

Now we have batteries of technicians and computers, and we can go back and change an effect that doesn’t work, or re-light it, or view it from a different angle. We can blur it realistically so that “strobing” is a thing of the past, and there’s no need for “aerial braces”, matting out supports, or maintaining careful alignment of fixed or travelling mattes. Damned near anything you can imagine can be put convincingly on screen. They may still argue about whether fully hand-managed animation, motion capture on a human being, or motion-capture maquettes are the best ways to obtain such motions, but that’s more a matter of taste and preference – Preston Blair argued that hand-drawn cartoon ladies were superior to rotoscoped women, and his were damned good, but that doesn’t mean he was absolutely right.

They’ll still be fixing up such details (the lighting of the dinosaurs in the first Jurassic Park film sometimes looks completely wrong today*), but the “quantum leap” in technology is mostly done.

it’s rash to say such things, I know, but with computer-generating imagery now approaching maturation, it seems that you can now put on 2-D film (and even stereoscopic 3-D film) anything you want to, and they’ve effectively pushed that technology as far as it needs to go for those purposes. We are reaping a rich harvest of movies it wouldn’t have been possible to make years ago. So the croip of superhero films and things like “Inception” will continue. I’d like to hope that this means that we’ll see more and better science fiction films, with realistic moon gravity indoors, for a change. But I’m not holding my breath.

I wonder about this. For instance, I wonder what the special effects in *the Wizard of Oz * would like today? I think part of the charm of the movie is the effects. And having low tech effects certainly hasn’t hurt he popularity or the movie as a whole.

I see he did Hollow Man. And people were actually surprised that the animation in Spider-Man was crap?

The problem is one of scale…I use the third Pirates of the Carribean movie as the main example…The East India Company and the British Navy are attacking! You see EIGHTEEN TIMES as many boats as EXISTED in all the world at the time. The horizon is GREY with boats, because the clone tool is just so damn easy to use.

But the good guys win one battle, with one boat, and all the others scatter like rats.

The same scene with 4 pirate ships and 12 ‘bad’ guys would have been just as effective.

ETA: 37 seconds in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHSBZc8Mp0Y&feature=related

Yeah, but at least the cursed pirate skeletons, the kraken, and Davy Jones and his oceanic crew were all accurate. So they did try.

Bah, I counted 17 legs on Davy Jones’ “octopus” head. Did they think I was born yesterday? At least make them an even number for chrissakes. That totally threw me out of the suspension of disbelief. Now, if he had a Nautilus head, I might be able to let an odd number of legs go, but obviously it wasn’t.

They crossed a line! You cannot convince me otherwise. :smiley:

Might as well had tie fighters flying’ round.

I recall a line from a science fiction novel, where a character says something like:

“It was like the start of The Wizard of Oz. You know, where it starts out two dimensional like the holotank is broken and then expands to three dimensions when she arrives in Oz.”

Yeah, why are they hanging out in well-lit labs? Without tons of makeup on?

And never racing off to take down the perp?

And they always forget to explain every detail of what they’re doing (to the other techs!): “As you know, Gel Chromatography… I’m inserting the sample right in here now… uses a gel… like this one here…”