# How much do you hate the USA? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 24, 2003, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729 "2003-07-24T22:04:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![pencilpusher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d6d6ee/32.png) [@pencilpusher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pencilpusher)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729/41 "2003-07-25T15:45:17Z")
I tell you what I hate. Assholes that lump every single American into one catagory IE ALL Americans suck, ALL Americans are stupid. Fucking dipshits need to be more selective in their bashing dontcha think? I personally love America the country, America the people, and America the flag but I DESPISE the government and it’s overpaid top officials. Bastards get more in one year than I’ve gotten in my entire working life. Must be nice to get all that money and never do anything with it but buy yourself a big ass house you don’t need and 5 cars you never fucking drive while people like me bust our asses working two jobs to feed 2 kids, pay rent on a piece of shit 1970 toyota and rent a 2 bedroom apartment in the most VIOLENT part of town and pray every night that noone breaks in and steals your kids after murdering you for your wedding bands. Fucking bastards. “with my last dying breath I SPIT at thee” ---
**Author:** ![ummm.yeahh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ummm.yeahh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ummm.yeahh)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729/42 "2003-07-25T15:46:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gex gex \* > \*\*So, **ummm… yeahh…** , how much do you hate the rest of the world? \*\* This is what I’m talking about. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_great_unwashed/32/4791_2.png) [@The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Great_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729/43 "2003-07-25T16:05:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ummm… yeahh… \* > \*\*This is what I’m talking about. \*\* [You, and 4,170 other people.](http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22This+is+what+I%27m+talking+about%22+&btnG=Google+Search&meta=) ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729/44 "2003-07-25T16:31:24Z")
You know what I **do** like? Burritos. I think I’m going to have one for lunch. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729/45 "2003-07-25T16:34:43Z")
Just say “no” to jingoism. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729/46 "2003-07-25T16:35:19Z")
Are we in the Pit yet? I think **pencilpusher** may not have unloaded both barrels yet. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729/47 "2003-07-25T16:38:30Z")
Looking into the abyss. ---
**Author:** ![stick\_monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@stick\_monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stick_monkey)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729/48 "2003-07-25T16:50:01Z")
> [@](#): > > being pissed that an unelected president Just a point of note, ALL american presidents are unelected. The position is more that of ‘benevolent dictator’ than ‘representative of the people’. I am sure everyone here’s seen the electoral college reference ad naseum. The point of which is that appointed (read: Beurocrats) elect the president, not the people. Tradition says that the electors vote with whatever the majority of their own state population votes for, but no law prevents them from doing otherwise. Personally, I extremely dislike bush, but am very happy with the electoral college system, (and completely behind the results of the last election) since it helps prevent candidates (like gore) for only campaigning in large cities and only focusing on the issues that ‘big city folk’ care about. See: [Amendment XII](http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxii.html) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729/49 "2003-07-25T17:01:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by stick monkey \* > \*\*Just a point of note, ALL american presidents are unelected. The position is more that of ‘benevolent dictator’ than ‘representative of the people’. \*\* Well, it’s even _more_ like “elected executive” who’s been signed to a four year contract and is given considerable discretionary powers, but can still be “fired” by Congress. A dictatorship is a considerably different animal. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729/50 "2003-07-25T17:40:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pencilpusher \* > “with my last dying breath I SPIT at thee” \*\* KHAAAAAAAANNN!!! [Edited post to get rid of screen wrap. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one. – MEB] ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729/51 "2003-07-25T18:00:51Z")
Actually, the line in the movie was “For hate’s sake, I spit my last breath at thee.” I’d have to dig up my copy of _Moby Dick_ to check if this an accurate quote, though. That movie is in my all-time top ten. ---
**Author:** ![Chicago\_Faucet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chicago_faucet/32/13910_2.png) [@Chicago\_Faucet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicago_Faucet)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729/52 "2003-07-25T18:06:41Z")
Wow. This thread is already reaching a whole page in length, at least in my view, and the subject hasn’t even been addressed yet. My apologies to disgruntled pencilpusher, who is cursing their position in life instead of their position in America, and Grey, who is giving excellent reasons against their own country instead of reasons against America. I personally like America, despite some of its flaws. I feel that those who are mocking this thread are quite jaded and cynical. Both of these are qualities that everyone should have in proportion, to some extent. But, like they say, everything in moderation - including moderation. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729/53 "2003-07-25T18:32:33Z")
Love the country, love the people, hate the management. I want what is best for my country, and I often disagree with the leadership. This has nothing to do with my level of patriotism; indeed, my desire for change and growth for our country is, in my opinion, patriotic. I think that currently, America is not putting its best foot forward in the world. Our ham-fisted arrogance is losing us friends faster than trees in the rainforest. Our so-called representatives are not representative of voters’ desires, but of the desires of their financial benefactors. This is contrary to my basic sense of fairness. However, if “the will of the people” were carried out to the letter, we’d probably be in an even bigger mess [sigh]. ---
**Author:** ![Tygr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df788c/32.png) [@Tygr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tygr)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729/54 "2003-07-25T18:40:23Z")
a > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Grey \* > **you impact everyone on the planet from trade and culture to foreign policy and we’ve got nothing, nothing aside from the hope that the American populace will care enough that their government won’t screw the rest of us over.** “You’ve got nothing”…? Fair enough. So we’ll just take all of our cars, computers, medical equipment, medicines, doctors, livestock, produce, charities, technology, military and MONEY, back, then. The UN, NATO, the World Bank, Amnesty Int’l, the Red Cross, World Hunger, AIDS Relief, all can do well enough without any more contributions from us, since you’re so pissy about any suggestions we offer regarding how the money be spent. We’ll just bring all of our resources back and you lot can work it out for yourselves. Ungrateful shits. Just like those that bitch about missionaries giving out food that also give Bibles. “Keep yer opinions to yourself, but oh, yeah, DO leave the money here.” Take our fucking ball and go home. YOU can play with yourselves. > [@](#): > > Hell, we’d almost want representation within the US system of government if we thought we could get it. Representation without taxation, eh? What a _fabulous_ idea!:rolleyes: And don’t forget, **Chicago Faucet** , jaded and cynical are fashionable here on the SDMB. You’re opinions aren’t really worth taking seriously if you actually _sniffs haughtily_ _believe_ in something. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729/55 "2003-07-25T18:44:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by stick monkey \* > Personally, I extremely dislike bush, but am very happy with the electoral college system, (and completely behind the results of the last election) since it helps prevent candidates (like gore) for only campaigning in large cities and only focusing on the issues that ‘big city folk’ care about. Yeah, Gore was really taking aim at those “big city folk” by saying he wanted to give a tax break to the poor and middle class instead of giving a huge break to the _wealthy_.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729/56 "2003-07-25T18:45:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tygr \* > \*\*a"You’ve got nothing"…? Fair enough. > > So we’ll just take all of our cars, computers, medical equipment, medicines, doctors, livestock, produce, charities, technology, military and MONEY, back, then. The UN, NATO, the World Bank, Amnesty Int’l, the Red Cross, World Hunger, AIDS Relief, all can do well enough without any more contributions from us, since you’re so pissy about any suggestions we offer regarding how the money be spent. > > We’ll just bring all of our resources back and you lot can work it out for yourselves. A lot of that technology stuff was invented by Canadians, actually. And we’re _still_ not (yet) in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_great_unwashed/32/4791_2.png) [@The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Great_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729/57 "2003-07-25T18:52:52Z")
Is this “hating America” thing meant to be new?.. [Randy Newman’s _Political Science_ ( **1972** )](http://www.lyricsdepot.com/randy-newman/political-science.html) > [@](#): > > **No one likes us > I don’t know why. > We may not be perfect > But heaven knows we try. > But all around even our old friends put us down. > Let’s drop the big one and see what happens** ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729/58 "2003-07-25T19:33:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tygr \* > **aSo we’ll just take all of our cars, computers, medical equipment, medicines, doctors, livestock, produce, charities, technology, military and MONEY, back, then. The UN, NATO, the World Bank, Amnesty Int’l, the Red Cross, World Hunger, AIDS Relief, all can do well enough without any more contributions from us, since you’re so pissy about any suggestions we offer regarding how the money be spent.** Whoa. My sky just went dark with all the strawmen flying past. Down boy. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tygr \* > **Ungrateful shits.** Classy. ---
**Author:** ![Doc\_Nickel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@Doc\_Nickel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doc_Nickel)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729/59 "2003-07-25T22:17:01Z")
On a scale of one to sauce, America is fuckin’ _Ravioli_. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729/60 "2003-07-25T22:54:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chicago Faucet \* > This thread is already reaching a whole page in length, at least in my view, and the subject hasn’t even been addressed yet. The Op is neither “great” nor a “debate.” As noted on the first page, it’s the jingoistic equivalent of “Have you stopped beating your wife yet?” The only question in my mind is why the thread wasn’t locked down in the first ten minutes for excessive stupidity. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-do-you-hate-the-usa/190729.md?page=4)