# How much does the Queen of England tip?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437
**Category:** Factual Questions
**Created:** [December 28, 2012, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437 "2012-12-28T23:00:46Z")
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### Author:  [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)
#### Post date: [December 29, 2012, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437/21 "2012-12-29T19:58:16Z")
> [@panache45](#):
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> Right. Nobody ever calls Obama “The President of Indiana.”
True, but he is. QEII \*is \*Queen of England, even tho she has chosen not to make that one of her “styles”.
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [December 29, 2012, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437/22 "2012-12-29T22:10:54Z")
I find it surprising that the Queen doesn’t go to restaurants in her private life. I’m sure Charles and her grandsons have eaten Big Macs occasionally. Certainly they eat at nice restaurants too. But William and Harry have enjoyed a more more normal childhood. The Queen must of been raised in the older, more secluded way with Nannies and tutors.
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### Author:  [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)
#### Post date: [December 29, 2012, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437/23 "2012-12-29T23:19:21Z")
Speaking of having the picture of the Queen on all the British currency, there’s a bit from the British version of Who’s Line Is It Anyway? where everyone was asked to come up with the most embarrassing thing to say to the Queen. One answer was this: “Good afternoon, Your Majesty. [Hits himself in the forehead like he’s remembering something] That reminds me. I’ve got to get some stamps.”
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### Author:  [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)
#### Post date: [December 29, 2012, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437/24 "2012-12-29T23:33:09Z")
> [@PaulParkhead](#):
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> Well, but England doesn’t have a head of state any more than Indiana does, if you want to look at it that way. Elizabeth is head of state of the UK.
Technically Indiana does have a Head of State, the aforementioned Mitch Daniels. U.S. States are considered legally sovereign states in union with one another, and the government of that union has a Federal or supra-state government, but legal history and constitutional history make it quite clear that the individual States still retain sovereignty and thus all have Heads of State.
Barack Obama actually _isn’t_ Head of State of Indiana, but he is the Head of State of the United States.
What happened with Scotland and England isn’t really comparable. It’s more like if say, North and South Carolina reunified. The new governor would just be “Governor of Carolina” and there would not technically be any Governor of South or North Carolina any longer. But if a cultural concept of North Carolina or South Carolina persisted, or even an administrative sub unit, the Governor could still be **called** “Governor of South Carolina”, because even though there is no such office he **is a Governor** and his domain includes the understood conception of South Carolina.
England exists though, in greater reality than North or South Carolina in my scenario. There is no _title_ that still exists for King of England or King of Scotland, but England still exists, and it still has a monarch. So it’s wrong to say Queen Elizabeth is _titled_ as Queen of England, because that simply is not a title that she has. But it isn’t wrong to say she is the monarch that has dominion over the country known as England, or for short “Queen of England.”
It’s imprecise, and offends the British for whatever reason; probably because most Brits realize their experiment is coming to an end and most likely Scotland will eventually split off and the Act of Union 1707 will no longer mean anything and there will be an actual Queen of England. I don’t know if the English will recreate their title or just call her “Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of Her other Realms and Territories, Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith” like she is now. But _that_ could cause problems with the Scots, who will correctly assert it is improper for her to call herself Queen of Great Britain, as under most suggested models of Scottish independence a Scottish monarchy would be created and exist in personal union to the current British monarchy but it’d be hard to argue for keeping “Queen of Great Britain” as a title.
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### Author:  [@Ximenean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ximenean)
#### Post date: [December 30, 2012, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437/25 "2012-12-30T00:21:46Z")
How about if the USA and Mexico decided to merge to form, let’s say, the Federation of Northern American States. If, three hundred years later, people in other parts of the world were still referring to the new nation’s president as the “US president” rather than the FNAS president, would that be OK? That seems to me a closer analogy than the Governor of Carolina scenario.
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### Author:  [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)
#### Post date: [December 30, 2012, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437/26 "2012-12-30T00:25:25Z")
People in other parts of the world are only using “England” that way because those parts of the world were colonized by British people who used “England” that way. It became obsolete in Britain (or at least England) a lot more recently than three hundred years ago. By the time it happened, those other places had their own local varieties of English that couldn’t be as easily changed by social and cultural changes overseas.
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### Author:  [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)
#### Post date: [December 30, 2012, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437/27 "2012-12-30T00:29:14Z")
> [@Ximenean](#):
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> How about if the USA and Mexico decided to merge to form, let’s say, the Federation of Northern American States. If, three hundred years later, people in other parts of the world were still referring to the new nation’s president as the “US president” rather than the FNAS president, would that be OK? That seems to me a closer analogy than the Governor of Carolina scenario.
Well, it might be more appropriate to compare if the US merged with Canada and the new country had a totally new name, but people still talked about “President of the US.” Because it’d more analogous to Scotland and England. One country’s language is dominant, one country is more than 10 times larger in economy and population. One country has more or less been synonymous with the conception of the United Kingdom as a great power and the other has historically been little more than a province for 500 years.
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### Author:  [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)
#### Post date: [December 30, 2012, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437/28 "2012-12-30T00:30:40Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#):
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> People in other parts of the world are only using “England” that way because those parts of the world were colonized by British people who used “England” that way. It became obsolete in Britain (or at least England) a lot more recently than three hundred years ago. By the time it happened, those other places had their own local varieties of English that couldn’t be as easily changed by social and cultural changes overseas.
Yeah, this “all Kingdoms/states of the UK being equally valuable and valued” is very new. The English did not value the Scottish as equals. Hell, even the first Scot to sit on the throne of England immediately left Scotland, never returned, and was focused almost exclusively on English affairs. It’s only relatively recently that people have recognized many aspects of the England-centricness were fairly negative for the rest of the country and not morally a good thing.
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### Author:  [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)
#### Post date: [December 30, 2012, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437/29 "2012-12-30T03:22:29Z")
> [@Ximenean](#):
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> How about if the USA and Mexico decided to merge to form, let’s say, the Federation of Northern American States. If, three hundred years later, people in other parts of the world were still referring to the new nation’s president as the “US president” rather than the FNAS president, would that be OK? That seems to me a closer analogy than the Governor of Carolina scenario.
Except, she _is_ Queen of Canada, not to mention Australia (1901), and New Zealand (1907), Jamaica (1962), Barbados (1966), the Bahamas (1973), Grenada (1974), Papua New Guinea (1975), the Solomon Islands (1978), Tuvalu (1978), Saint Lucia (1979), Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (1979), Antigua and Barbuda (1981), Belize (1981), and Saint Kitts and Nevis (1983).
> **[List of titles and honours of Elizabeth II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_titles_and_honours_of_Queen_Elizabeth_II)**
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> Elizabeth II held numerous titles and honours, both during and before her time as monarch of each of her Commonwealth realms. Each is listed below; where two dates are shown, the first indicates the date of receiving the title or award (the title as Princess Elizabeth of York being given as from her birth), and the second indicates the date of its loss or renunciation.
> Upon Elizabeth's accession to the throne, she was asked by her Private Secretary what her regnal name would be, to which she...
Now yes, she has _chose_n to style herself Queen of the UK, not England, Scotland and Ireland. But she still remains Queen of those areas also, despite her choice in styling.
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### Author:  [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)
#### Post date: [December 30, 2012, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437/30 "2012-12-30T04:35:24Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#):
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> Now I want to design a series of Bodoni Bucks and put various family members on them. I think that I want to be on the 25 BB bill.
At least you’ll know what font family to use.
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### Author:  [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)
#### Post date: [December 30, 2012, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437/31 "2012-12-30T05:12:22Z")
> [@DrDeth](#):
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> Except, she _is_ Queen of Canada, not to mention Australia (1901), and New Zealand (1907), Jamaica (1962), Barbados (1966), the Bahamas (1973), Grenada (1974), Papua New Guinea (1975), the Solomon Islands (1978), Tuvalu (1978), Saint Lucia (1979), Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (1979), Antigua and Barbuda (1981), Belize (1981), and Saint Kitts and Nevis (1983).
> [List of titles and honours of Elizabeth II - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_titles_and_honours_of_Queen_Elizabeth_II)
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> Now yes, she has _chose_n to style herself Queen of the UK, not England, Scotland and Ireland. But she still remains Queen of those areas also, despite her choice in styling.
The difference is that Canada, Australia and so on are all sovereign countries, as is the United Kingdom. England, Scotland, and (northern) Ireland are not sovereign countries; they are former kingdoms. It’s not just HM’s choice not to include them in her Royal Style; she only includes sovereign countries. She’s not the Queen of England any more than she’s the Queen of Kent, another former kingdom which long ago was incorporated into a larger kingdom.
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### Author:  [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)
#### Post date: [December 30, 2012, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437/32 "2012-12-30T06:19:53Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#):
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> The difference is that Canada, Australia and so on are all sovereign countries, as is the United Kingdom. England, Scotland, and (northern) Ireland are not sovereign countries; they are former kingdoms. It’s not just HM’s choice not to include them in her Royal Style; she only includes sovereign countries. She’s not the Queen of England any more than she’s the Queen of Kent, another former kingdom which long ago was incorporated into a larger kingdom.
So, if she visited Kent she wouldn’t be Queen? Sure, she’s the Queen of Kent, and London, and Berkshire on the puddlegum, and every other place pretty much on that island.
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### Author:  [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)
#### Post date: [December 30, 2012, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437/33 "2012-12-30T06:38:31Z")
I don’t know. I think “Queen of” sort of implies that she carries out some kind of royal executive function on behalf of that entity. If the Queen deals with Kentish issues she’s doing so through her authority as Queen of the entire UK. She doesn’t have any independent powers conferred on her by Kent (which, as a mere administrative entity existing under British law, has no independent powers).
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### Author:  [@Ximenean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ximenean)
#### Post date: [December 30, 2012, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437/34 "2012-12-30T10:28:53Z")
> [@DrDeth](#):
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> Now yes, she has _chose_n to style herself Queen of the UK, not England, Scotland and Ireland. But she still remains Queen of those areas also, despite her choice in styling.
She hasn’t chosen to style herself Queen of the UK. That particular crown \*is \*the crown of the UK, not England. I don’t see that she has much choice over it.
I’m still not seeing the difference with “President of Indiana”.
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### Author:  [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)
#### Post date: [December 30, 2012, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437/35 "2012-12-30T11:03:35Z")
> [@Ximenean](#):
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> She hasn’t chosen to style herself Queen of the UK.
Parliament chose for her in 1953. For the 16 months before that she was the Queen “of Great Britain, Ireland, and the British Dominions beyond the Seas,” even though she was definitely not the queen of most of Ireland. At least it wasn’t as much of a whopper as monarchs up until George III being styled King/Queen of France.
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### Author:  [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)
#### Post date: [December 30, 2012, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437/36 "2012-12-30T15:05:53Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#):
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> The English did not value the Scottish as equals.
The other way round too 😉
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### Author:  [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)
#### Post date: [December 30, 2012, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437/37 "2012-12-30T15:57:02Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#):
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> I’m not even sure that the Queen would ever carry any money. Why would she need it?
> [@aa2070](#):
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> Identification.
Thank you. 😛
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### Author:  [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)
#### Post date: [December 31, 2012, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437/38 "2012-12-31T08:22:51Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#):
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> Parliament chose for her in 1953. For the 16 months before that she was the Queen “of Great Britain, Ireland, and the British Dominions beyond the Seas,” even though she was definitely not the queen of most of Ireland. At least it wasn’t as much of a whopper as monarchs up until George III being styled King/Queen of France.
No, Parliament passed the [Royal Titles Act of 1953](http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Royal_Titles_Act_1953), in which Parliament consented to Her Majesty “using such style and titles as Her Majesty may think fit”, which HM then did by Royal Proclamation.
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### Author:  [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)
#### Post date: [December 31, 2012, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437/39 "2012-12-31T13:33:37Z")
Given that she is now in her 80’s, probably about 20 degrees.
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### Author:  [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)
#### Post date: [December 31, 2012, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-does-the-queen-of-england-tip/645437/40 "2012-12-31T13:49:27Z")
So what was Queen Elizabeth’s time in the Women’s Auxiliary Territorial Service during World War II, where she was trained to drive and repair military cars, like? Was that a period where she could do normal hanging out with other women in the service?
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