# How much has the Republican party changed?... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 15, 2018, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-has-the-republican-party-changed/817944 "2018-07-15T12:41:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-has-the-republican-party-changed/817944/101 "2018-07-23T02:01:42Z")
Originally Posted by UltraVires View Post …Your side buses homeless people to the polls… Amazing then, isn’t it, that in this day and age when _everybody_ has a cell phone that _nobody_ recorded this on video. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-has-the-republican-party-changed/817944/102 "2018-07-23T02:33:41Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Easily misled conservatives? Your side buses homeless people to the polls. You have policies enacted into law that simply hands your voters in the inner city money. Just hands them money from the public coffers! That is your base. > > Yet, you have the temerity to say that people who are the breadbasket of America who work on farms to feed the country are the ones that should be ignored. Look how this statement uses coded language like “inner city” to mean black but the poster doesn’t have the courage to come out and say it. The busing remark is so deliciously\* Brown v. Board\*, too. The cowardice is so real. White folk so forgetful, Aricept should replace fluoride in the water. Does anyone remember white folks pushing out farm subsidies and a de facto nationalized flood insurance program? And your talking about inner city? LOL. Dude. White folks are the main beneficiaries of government programs - including Affirmative Action. White folks killed welfare in the 90’s. It’s like these hoes forgot: Could someone drop a Wikipedia link or, at the very least, give a brotha a few Aricept coupons for brotha to hand out? I’m not even gonna do a Kuchiyose no Jutsu on this one - not even worth the chakra. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-has-the-republican-party-changed/817944/103 "2018-07-23T03:11:04Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > The extensions of the franchise you mentioned are all non-controversial today. No major party or anyone with any status at all suggests that blacks, women, or 19 year olds should not be able to vote. > > But I take issue with “our understanding” of what democracy means. The “our” doesn’t include me. I don’t agree that the large population centers of New York and California dictate what policies affect my life and that politicians should be able to influence high minded liberals and ignore people in flyover country. > > That was what the compromise in 1787 was all about. Small states did not agree to be dominated by large states and no “understanding” has changed that. To hell with the compromise of 1787. You’re glorifying the compromise that permitted slavery, so your reverence for the Constitution of old discredits you. You need not say anything more. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-has-the-republican-party-changed/817944/104 "2018-07-23T03:25:29Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > Look how this statement uses coded language like “inner city” to mean black but the poster doesn’t have the courage to come out and say it. The busing remark is so deliciously\* Brown v. Board\*, too. The cowardice is so real. White folk so forgetful, Aricept should replace fluoride in the water. Does anyone remember white folks pushing out farm subsidies and a de facto nationalized flood insurance program? And your talking about inner city? LOL. Dude. White folks are the main beneficiaries of government programs - including Affirmative Action. White folks killed welfare in the 90’s. It’s like these hoes forgot: Could someone drop a Wikipedia link or, at the very least, give a brotha a few Aricept coupons for brotha to hand out? I’m not even gonna do a Kuchiyose no Jutsu on this one - not even worth the chakra. Support for a government welfare program drops (among Trump supporters) when they are primed to think that the beneficiaries of the program are black. Trump supporters are more supportive of a program if they think it benefits whites, even if it is the same program. > **[Study: Trump fans are much angrier about housing assistance when they see an...](https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/9/8/16270040/trump-clinton-supporters-racist)** > > In contrast, Clinton supporters seemed relatively unmoved by racial cues. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-has-the-republican-party-changed/817944/105 "2018-07-23T04:51:25Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > Look how this statement uses coded language like “inner city” to mean black but the poster doesn’t have the courage to come out and say it. The busing remark is so deliciously\* Brown v. Board\*, too. The cowardice is so real. … This is a warning for personal insults. Do not call other posters cowards in this forum. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-has-the-republican-party-changed/817944/106 "2018-07-23T05:29:45Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Easily misled conservatives? Which side disproportionately holds the creationist vote? Which side disproportionately holds the AGW-denialist vote? Which side holds up Fox News and Breitbart as their main news sources? Look, part of this is demographics - in a country with a massive voting block of uneducated fundamentalist Christians, one side is going to have that block, and that side will, as a direct result, be the “stupid” side, because you can’t appeal to a bunch of extremely religious anti-science folk without alienating the “smart” side. But there’s no denying that that is the current republican party. Your current president is arguably the most dishonest president ever; your policies are a fucking cruel joke best exemplified by the clusterfuck that was the ACA repeal; your morals have by and large been revealed as tissue-thin veneer by the massive number of hardline evangelicals willing to go to bat for a serial adulterer who paid a porn star hush money and who has dozens of people accusing him of sexual assault; your news is blatant propaganda whose only excuse is making up conspiracies about how everyone else is biased. > [@](#): > > Your side buses homeless people to the polls. I’m assuming you’re referring to [this 2008 story](https://nypost.com/2008/10/07/homeless-driven-to-vote-obama/)? Wow - hundreds of homeless people were able to exercise their right to vote, many for the first time. THE HORROR! > [@](#): > > You have policies enacted into law that simply hands your voters in the inner city money. As others have pointed out, this is just nonsense. Those inner cities are the source of most of America’s tax money, as others have pointed out. > [@](#): > > Yet, you have the temerity to say that people who are the breadbasket of America who work on farms to feed the country are the ones that should be ignored. Not ignored, just not _constantly pandered to_. If 1% of the country is busy in agriculture, the agricultural vote should be worth… …1%. Of course, even this premise makes no fucking sense. The most obvious disparity in voting power is between California (where 40 million people share 2 senators) and Wyoming (where 570,000 people share 2 senators, and their votes for president count approximately 4 times as much). California has a farming industry literally _23 times the size of Wyoming’s_. It also contains the main center of cultural and technological influence within the US, which might be a little more important than its farmland, but that’s neither here nor there. So I dunno, _should_ a vote in Wyoming be worth several times as much as a vote in California? (No.) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-has-the-republican-party-changed/817944/107 "2018-07-23T05:50:32Z")
“Is this the SDMB! Well, I’m your new conservative gadfly, hard-nosed and realistic, come here to talk some good ol’ common sense to you libtards and…wait, what’s this?” “Application. Auditions are next week, you’re number…ah, twenty seven.” “What’s this about a tutu! By God, I’m not gonna…” “Its a joke. You failed, don’t bother.” ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-has-the-republican-party-changed/817944/108 "2018-07-23T12:19:14Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > This is a warning for personal insults. Do not call other posters cowards in this forum. > > [/moderating] I never called the dude a coward. What I was saying that it was cowardly to use coded language. You may learn something by actually googling “coded language”. But, you know what, I understand. “No blacks allowed”. I’ll leave you guys to it. Thanks again. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-has-the-republican-party-changed/817944/109 "2018-07-23T12:36:26Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > This is a warning for personal insults. Do not call other posters cowards in this forum. > > [/moderating] A cursory search shows that others can outright call another poster a coward and it’s not a problem. You should check this post to moderate. > [@Is NATO obsolete?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-nato-obsolete/817721/86): > > No; you are being a coward. And an immoral one at that. You have all but affirmed that you are willing to let the world be taken over piece by piece by a (potentially) evil empire with all its features in order to avoid a war. There are things worth fighting for and dying for and NATO was created to defend them. There’s a shit ton more of that on the search engine. I would quote more but I have to go to work. It would be nice if everyone was treated equally on the SDMB. If you have rules, they should be **consistently followed and applied.** Using coded language to imply blacks are dumb, stupid, and violent. That’s OK, and the rules encourage this kind of coded language. But calling that statement cowardly for not using the actual words is a personal attack? lol. What a joke. White fragility at it’s finest. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-has-the-republican-party-changed/817944/110 "2018-07-23T12:50:00Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > I never called the dude a coward. What I was saying that it was cowardly to use coded language. You may learn something by actually googling “coded language”. But, you know what, I understand. “No blacks allowed”. I’ll leave you guys to it. Thanks again. If you would like to discuss moderation, ATMB is the appropriate place to do so. No more in this thread. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-has-the-republican-party-changed/817944/111 "2018-07-23T12:51:57Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Easily misled conservatives? Your side buses homeless people to the polls… Can you explain this point? Are you suggesting that the homeless should be politically disenfranchised? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-has-the-republican-party-changed/817944/112 "2018-07-23T12:54:34Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > A cursory search shows that others can outright call another poster a coward and it’s not a problem. > > You should check this post to moderate. > > There’s a shit ton more of that on the search engine. I would quote more but I have to go to work. It would be nice if everyone was treated equally on the SDMB. If you have rules, they should be **consistently followed and applied.** Using coded language to imply blacks are dumb, stupid, and violent. That’s OK, and the rules encourage this kind of coded language. But calling that statement cowardly for not using the actual words is a personal attack? lol. What a joke. White fragility at it’s finest. Yes, falling to pieces for a warning is the opposite of fragility. Righteously claim your victimhood. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-has-the-republican-party-changed/817944/113 "2018-07-23T12:57:59Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Can you explain this point? Are you suggesting that the homeless should be politically disenfranchised? I think he’s saying Democrats take advantage of the homeless by picking them up in buses every two years. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-has-the-republican-party-changed/817944/114 "2018-07-23T13:15:42Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I think he’s saying Democrats take advantage of the homeless by picking them up in buses every two years. If that’s the case, then I assume he has some evidence for this claim? If not, it would seem that he is being misled (easily) and as he has already rejected the idea that conservatives are easily misled, we know he must have evidence. So either he is making a factually incorrect claim, or he is arguing that the homeless should be politically disenfranchised (or he just thinks they shouldn’t go to the polls via bus, maybe he’s a unicyclist). ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-has-the-republican-party-changed/817944/115 "2018-07-23T13:40:22Z")
Count me in on the bewilderment that there’s something wrong with homeless people voting. Out of curiosity, **UltraVires** , what’s your opinion on homeless people owning guns? Constutitionally protected right, or something we should stop? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-has-the-republican-party-changed/817944/116 "2018-07-23T13:43:25Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Yes, falling to pieces for a warning is the opposite of fragility. Righteously claim your victimhood. This too is not appropriate for this forum. Knock it off. If you want to take potshots at other posters, the Pit is right around the corner. [/moderating] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-has-the-republican-party-changed/817944.md?page=5)