# How much human experience would a Jesus actually get?

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**Created:** [January 23, 2010, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-human-experience-would-a-jesus-actually-get/526174 "2010-01-23T23:53:03Z")\
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**Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-human-experience-would-a-jesus-actually-get/526174/61 "2010-01-27T13:32:24Z")

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> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#):
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> According to the Bible, Jesus did experience uncertainty. He knew what he was supposed to do, but he also knew that it was going to be lonely and very painful, and there were times when he wanted to escape. That’s why asked that the cup be taken from him, why he spent the night praying in the garden, and why he called out on the Cross that his father had forsaken him.
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> Mainstream Christian belief is that Christ was fully human as well as fully divine (at least prior to his death). I’m riffing a bit here, but I think what that means is that, as a human, he could have chosen to walk away from God’s plan (_see, e.g._, _The Last Temptation of Christ_). Certainly, one can disagree and argue that this doesn’t make sense, but that’s the belief. Think of it as analogous to the wave-particle duality. (😉 I see **Chronos** in this thread).
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> But there are any number of human beings for whom any of that is true. Christian belief is that he became _a_ human being, not _every_ human being. Note too that the Bible says that he lived in poverty, worked with his hands, and spent his preaching career among society’s outcasts. He didn’t personally experience everything in society, but he kept it real in many ways.
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> He _believed_ he knew these things, but as noted above, there were times when he worried that he had been forsaken.
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> Christian belief is not that he pretended to die, but that he actually _did_ die, just like all of us someday will. He was resurrected on earth, which is obviously unique to him. Ultimately, though, he went to Heaven, and that’s available to human beings as well.
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> Christ had to come to earth and choose to die as a human being to redeem humanity, because it was human beings who chose to stray into original sin. As I understand it, it’s about God respecting the degree of autonomy that he chose to give to his creations.
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> (Yes, there are Christians who do not believe in free will. Their views are presumably somewhat different, but I’m not the person to address them.)
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> The suffering and dying is here on earth. Christ’s promise was life everlasting in Heaven. Many, if not all, Christians believe that those who died between the Fall and the Resurrection did not go to Heaven, although I think there’s disagreement on what happened to them. Catholic theology posits a Limbo, which Dante portrayed as the first circle of Hell. Souls there were comfortable, content, and not tormented, but they were separate from God. I think he also wrote that when Christ passed through Hell, many virtuous ancients chose to leave with him.
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> BTW, I’m not trying to witness, and I’m not stating any of this as fact. I’m not saying that this is what I believe, and I’m certainly not suggesting that you should believe it. I’m just setting forth the point of view that I think many Christians would offer to address some of the points raised in this thread.

According to Matthew(and Mark) He also said he was going to return in glory while some of them standing there were still alive, but didn’t show up. Also said that generation would not pass away until all things were accomplished. The RCC church teaches that the word generation didn’t have the same meaning as how we think of a generation, but Matthew also decribed a generation the same as we, when he gave the generations between David and Jesus, stating there were 14 generations between them. In that sense the word means the same.

If Matthew is correct, then Revelations is wrong.

The problem is people have no way of knowing what was said or if the writings are the truth or not, there is so much writings that contradict each other when one takes all the writers into consideration.

There is no wonder why there are so many translations or beliefs, or that some find it confusing!

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