# How much longer can they keep calling her "Hillary"? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 24, 2016, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-longer-can-they-keep-calling-her-hillary/769597 "2016-10-24T15:08:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-longer-can-they-keep-calling-her-hillary/769597/61 "2016-10-25T10:23:41Z")
She owns the name Hillary. Something like that, a word that the public associates with you exclusively, is a strong brand. Giving it up would be like UPS giving up brown trucks. > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Cammy is Duchess of Cornwall, but not the Princess of Wales. No, she’s just asked that people not call her the Princess of Wales. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-longer-can-they-keep-calling-her-hillary/769597/62 "2016-10-25T13:50:47Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > I think they’re the future Prince & Princess of Wales. Chuck & Cammy are the current title holders. Oh yes, you (all) are correct. I just always forget about Chuck for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Yumblie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/76d3ee/32.png) [@Yumblie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yumblie)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-longer-can-they-keep-calling-her-hillary/769597/63 "2016-10-25T16:00:55Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > Also, “Hill-uh-REE! Hill-uh-REE!” makes a rousing chant for the crowds to shout (“Clinton!” not so much), and effectively overwrites any lingering auditory memory of “lock her UP! lock her UP!” [“Clin-ton” does sound kind of intimidating…](https://frinkiac.com/meme/S08E01/995226.jpg?b64lines=SSBBTSBDTElOLVRPTi4gQVMKIE9WRVJMT1JELCBBTEwgV0lMTCBLTkVFTAogVFJFTUJMSU5HIEJFRk9SRSBNRQ==) ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-longer-can-they-keep-calling-her-hillary/769597/64 "2016-10-25T17:49:02Z")
Don’t forget, that for really old-school feminists, calling a woman by her husband’s name is sexist. Especially when she’s more-or-less forced by circumstances to take the name. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-longer-can-they-keep-calling-her-hillary/769597/65 "2016-10-25T18:14:13Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Actually Roosevelt II would be FDR. I’ve never heard anyone just call him “Franklin.” > > I’m surprised Hillary didn’t launch her campaign using her hyphenated name-- Hillary Rodham-Clinton, with the request to media that she be called “President Rodham-Clinton” once she took office. Would be a nice distinguishing feature, plus a nod to her own roots. Don’t have my copy of Hendrik Hertzberg’s _Politics_ handy, but he had a piece in there exploring the history of presidential media nomenclature. He explains how Eisenhower became “Ike” and Roosevelt “FDR” to fit in newspaper headlines. Not as big a concern these days, but Rodham-Clinton is still too long IMHO. (Did she ever hyphenate?) PS: he has another piece in that book explaining the disreputable history of “Democrat party” as well. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-longer-can-they-keep-calling-her-hillary/769597/66 "2016-10-25T18:29:49Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > I tend to agree with the points made above - it’s not sexist, it’s part of a general trend toward first name usage, it distinguishes her from Bill, it sounds friendlier, and it gives her permission to talk about “Donald,” which we’re told he hates. Agree, and would add: calling her Hillary emphasizes her sex/gender. Yes, that can be used for bad, but being the first female prez is something she emphasizes (and rightly so, IMHO). If we had more gendered nouns in English, calling her “Presidenta Clinton” or whatever would do the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-longer-can-they-keep-calling-her-hillary/769597/67 "2016-10-25T18:37:49Z")
I think it’s just to distinguish her from Bill. If Elizabeth Warren were president, most people would have no issue calling her “President Warren.” They wouldn’t be calling her President Elizabeth. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-longer-can-they-keep-calling-her-hillary/769597/68 "2016-10-28T15:53:58Z")
How about granny? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-longer-can-they-keep-calling-her-hillary/769597/69 "2016-10-28T18:50:51Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > How about granny? She wears trousers; no skirts to hide behind. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-longer-can-they-keep-calling-her-hillary/769597/70 "2016-10-28T19:30:10Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Don’t forget, that for really old-school feminists, calling a woman by her husband’s name is sexist. Especially when she’s more-or-less forced by circumstances to take the name. Really? Emmeline Pankhurst used her husband’s name–as did her daughters. Elizabeth Cady Stanton retained her maiden name as a middle name–but “Stanton” was her husband’s name. What do you mean by “really old-school”? ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-longer-can-they-keep-calling-her-hillary/769597/71 "2016-10-28T22:39:26Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Really? Emmeline Pankhurst used her husband’s name–as did her daughters. Elizabeth Cady Stanton retained her maiden name as a middle name–but “Stanton” was her husband’s name. > > What do you mean by “really old-school”? To be fair, Wollstonecraft never took Godwin’s name. That’s pretty old school. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-longer-can-they-keep-calling-her-hillary/769597/72 "2016-10-29T05:37:39Z")
I hate it, too. “Hillary” was always what they called her when they attacked her. And I don’t agree there is some general tend here to use first names. Yes, Bernie did it, but no one else. Politicians use last names. I’m aware she’s reclaimed it, but it still sounds wrong to me, so I say Clinton. It is ridiculous to say “Trump” and then say “Hillary.” You’re buying into his brand. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-longer-can-they-keep-calling-her-hillary/769597/73 "2016-10-29T16:15:47Z")
Hillary’s law license in Arkansas is registered as Hillary Rodham Clinton. She was a corporate lawyer at the Rose Law Firm until Bill won the presidency. That’s the name I think her Presidency should use. Preserving her own name and setting her apart from her husband. [https://attorneyinfo.aoc.arkansas.gov/info/attorney/Attorney\_Search\_Detail.aspx?ID=6b117de4-d562-4e17-adc8-104aabe831d2](https://attorneyinfo.aoc.arkansas.gov/info/attorney/Attorney_Search_Detail.aspx?ID=6b117de4-d562-4e17-adc8-104aabe831d2) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-longer-can-they-keep-calling-her-hillary/769597.md?page=3)