# How much more expensive to raise animals humanely? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [December 17, 2021, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-expensive-to-raise-animals-humanely/956224 "2021-12-17T16:58:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-expensive-to-raise-animals-humanely/956224/61 "2021-12-22T04:36:55Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > For example, it looks like [integrated pest management](https://www.grandviewresearch.com/press-release/global-integrated-pest-management-ipm-market) is at a takeoff point, I thought it already took off? Pesticides are expensive, as is the labor to apply them. It only makes sense to restrict their use to when they are most helpful. Pretty much every local orchard claims to be IPM (that being the only type of farm locally that invites customers on-site and discusses it’s practices.) ---
**Author:** ![mmmiiikkkeee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/edb3f5/32.png) [@mmmiiikkkeee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mmmiiikkkeee)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-expensive-to-raise-animals-humanely/956224/62 "2021-12-22T04:49:51Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > – I could go on; about both countries. > > I do not believe that the ignorance in this case is mine. Ignorance of what? Are you saying that those cites show that: - The part of Canada I showed has massively insufficient local crop fields to spread manure, - That business owners would choose to locate in an area where it’s illegal to spread manure and just do it anyway or throw money away taking it to the landfill, - That there are no Canadian regulations specifying feedlot density, - That there are no similar US regulations for feedlot density? If there was intent was to show that what I stated is incorrect, I’m afraid you’re going to have to go on, but in a fashion that is actually compelling. I suggest reading the content of the news stories Google brings up before posting them as proof of something next time. The first cite talks about Dairy and hog operations (different than meat-cow feedlots) storing their sewage in lagoons; nothing to do with what I stated. And it says that nutrient discharge levels have increased and regulations dealing with them across states vary. The second abstract-only cite talks about nutrient level increases from high intensity animal operations, and the inconsistent federal and state modifications to the rules and regulations governing waste practices, focusing on swine (not meat-cows). The third cite talks about poultry farms failing inspection (meaning regulations must exist to fail), and actually says “A high percentage of violations that are found are associated with record-keeping requirements, as opposed to water quality issues.”. Number 4 talks about Lake Erie having a nutrient problem, that commercial fertilizer use has decreased, and recommends stronger Ontario regulations especially for small farms which are not as stringently regulated as large farms. Number 5 also talks about Lake Erie having a nutrient problem, and quotes a report as saying “A greater sense of urgency and inclusion of regulatory protections in domestic action plans are needed.”. This seems to imply that there are no regulations on manure spreading. Too bad that this 2017 article ignores the existance of the [2002 Ontario Nutrient Management Act.](http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/nm/approvals/tools.htm) I see that the some parts of the US have more serious problems with feedlots/CAFOs that where I’m from; ok ☹. I don’t see what I said being proven wrong or ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-expensive-to-raise-animals-humanely/956224/63 "2021-12-22T15:13:33Z")
> [@md-2000](#): > > Saw an item about raising pigs in China - they were building an 11-story concrete hi-rise of pig pens. Well I do believe we finally have an appropriate use for the architectural vision of Charles Munger. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-expensive-to-raise-animals-humanely/956224/64 "2021-12-22T16:25:53Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Well I do believe we finally have an appropriate use for the architectural vision of Charles Munger Once known as the UC Santa Barbara _Gauchos,_ they will henceforth be known as the Towering Hogs. Their mascot, formerly known as Olé, will henceforth be known as Sue E. [that is all …] ---
**Author:** ![md-2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@md-2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/md-2000)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-expensive-to-raise-animals-humanely/956224/65 "2021-12-22T18:47:59Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Well I do believe we finally have an appropriate use for the architectural vision of Charles Munger. probably not - the picture I saw allowed for window openings, unlike Munger’s plans. No doubt, this was to ventilate the pens, to the delight of those downwind (no glass required). Presumably Munger either did not see the need for ventilation, or chose not to inflict the fragrance of graduate students upon those downwind? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-expensive-to-raise-animals-humanely/956224.md?page=3)