# How much more incompetence and corruption is still to be revealed now that the trump era is over? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 13, 2020, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-incompetence-and-corruption-is-still-to-be-revealed-now-that-the-trump-era-is-over/925510 "2020-11-13T14:00:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-incompetence-and-corruption-is-still-to-be-revealed-now-that-the-trump-era-is-over/925510/61 "2020-11-16T13:16:57Z")
Holder was acting in his capacity as the President’s attorney for actions taken by the President did _in office._ That’s the proper role of the AG. The rape accusation was for something Trump did before he was in office. That’s not the AG’s duty to defend. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-incompetence-and-corruption-is-still-to-be-revealed-now-that-the-trump-era-is-over/925510/62 "2020-11-16T17:17:51Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The rape accusation was for something Trump did before he was in office. That’s not the AG’s duty to defend. The lawsuit is for defamation not rape and is based on statements Trump made **while President**. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-incompetence-and-corruption-is-still-to-be-revealed-now-that-the-trump-era-is-over/925510/63 "2020-11-16T17:20:22Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > > [@running\_coach](#): > > > > The rape accusation was for something Trump did before he was in office. That’s not the AG’s duty to defend. > > The lawsuit is for defamation not rape and is based on statements Trump made **while President**. - It’s not part of his duties _as_ President, it’s a personal matter. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-incompetence-and-corruption-is-still-to-be-revealed-now-that-the-trump-era-is-over/925510/64 "2020-11-16T17:32:09Z")
The easy answer is “quite a bit”. But the Trump era is not over for a few months. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-incompetence-and-corruption-is-still-to-be-revealed-now-that-the-trump-era-is-over/925510/65 "2020-11-16T18:55:01Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > > [@running\_coach](#): > > > > The rape accusation was for something Trump did before he was in office. That’s not the AG’s duty to defend. > > The lawsuit is for defamation not rape and is based on statements Trump made **while President**. While president and as the president are two different things. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-incompetence-and-corruption-is-still-to-be-revealed-now-that-the-trump-era-is-over/925510/66 "2020-11-16T19:55:50Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > And FWIW I have no love for Holder and the Obama admin which let banks completely off the hook (see: [HSBC](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/gangster-bankers-too-big-to-jail-102004/)). Sure, but the fundamental difference here is that Holder et al, weren’t defending and/or prosecuting people based on Obama or Bush’s _personal_ agendas and issues. I mean, it’s not unusual or even unseemly for an AG to have a political slant as far as what they prosecute or don’t. They’re a political appointee after all. But until Trump’s administration, AGs were political appointees and allies, not personal lackeys. That’s the fundamental difference here. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-incompetence-and-corruption-is-still-to-be-revealed-now-that-the-trump-era-is-over/925510/67 "2020-11-17T06:38:32Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > It’s Biden being in the pocket of big business and Wall Street (remember he was a long time senator from Delaware…IIRC more than 60% of Fortune 500 companies are incorporated there). Joe hasnt been the senator from Delaware since 2009, and has had a long stint as Veep, maybe you remember that? And yes, they are incorporated there, but they dont keep their headquarters there. In General, it aint Democrats in the pocket of Big Business, that’s Repubs. Joe has a 85% score from the AFL/CIO, and his last rating from the ACLU was 91%. The Americans for Democratic Action (ADA) rates him quite liberal. You dont get a 85 from the AFL/CIO if you are “in the pocket of big business”. Somehow you must have gotten ahold of some canard spread by the Bernie-Bros during the Primaries. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-incompetence-and-corruption-is-still-to-be-revealed-now-that-the-trump-era-is-over/925510/68 "2020-11-17T06:40:56Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > And yes, they are incorporated there, but they dont keep their headquarters there. That’s right. Delaware has some of the most sophisticated corporate law and corporate law judges, so lots of companies incorporate in Delaware even though they have no plans to operate in Delaware. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-incompetence-and-corruption-is-still-to-be-revealed-now-that-the-trump-era-is-over/925510/69 "2020-11-17T15:37:02Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Somehow you must have gotten ahold of some canard spread by the Bernie-Bros during the Primaries. Nah. I got it from Biden’s lifelong record in politics which has distinctly not been a very liberal one. He is currently espousing a fairly liberal policy agenda and I hope he sticks to it. We’ll see if an old dog can learn new tricks. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-incompetence-and-corruption-is-still-to-be-revealed-now-that-the-trump-era-is-over/925510/70 "2020-11-17T18:53:08Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I got it from Biden’s lifelong record in politics which has distinctly not been a very liberal one. **Every single respected metric** of “liberalness” disagrees with you. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-incompetence-and-corruption-is-still-to-be-revealed-now-that-the-trump-era-is-over/925510/71 "2020-11-17T18:53:31Z")
You’re just wrong. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-incompetence-and-corruption-is-still-to-be-revealed-now-that-the-trump-era-is-over/925510/72 "2020-11-17T19:00:49Z")
When it comes to the fact that every metric and expert disagrees with you, maybe you might rethink your position.AFL/CIO, ACLU, Americans for Democratic Action (ADA) and the American Conservative Union (ACU) all rank Biden as fairly liberal. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-incompetence-and-corruption-is-still-to-be-revealed-now-that-the-trump-era-is-over/925510/73 "2020-11-17T20:55:04Z")
You don’t even know what their metrics are. The ACLU doesn’t rank people on more or less liberal. AFL/CIO and ACU and ADA have distinct legislative agendas. It would be madness for them to rank Biden any other way. Hell, [lots of AFL/CIO members voted for Trump](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/22/donald-trump-union-support-snub-joe-biden-418329). No wonder they consider Biden a “liberal”. Meanwhile you just refuse to look at Biden’s record yourself. Read this and tell us about how solid a liberal Biden has been: > **[No Joe!, by Andrew Cockburn](https://harpers.org/archive/2019/03/joe-biden-record/)** > > Joe Biden’s disastrous legislative legacy ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-incompetence-and-corruption-is-still-to-be-revealed-now-that-the-trump-era-is-over/925510/74 "2020-11-17T22:15:51Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > AFL/CIO and ACU and ADA have distinct legislative agendas. It would be madness for them to rank Biden any other way. They do, one ranks How Liberal, the other How Conservative. In both cases, Biden comes up liberal. That is a piece of crap hit piece written by a bernie-Bro that has been debunked. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-incompetence-and-corruption-is-still-to-be-revealed-now-that-the-trump-era-is-over/925510/75 "2020-11-18T00:39:53Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > You’re just wrong. I was going to weigh in, but how can I hope to post anything as wise and well-thought-out as this? I’ll defer … while I go mix myself a lime/rum/dash of maple syrup potion. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-incompetence-and-corruption-is-still-to-be-revealed-now-that-the-trump-era-is-over/925510/76 "2020-11-18T23:18:43Z")
I thought about that and put as much effort in to it as the person I responded to. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-incompetence-and-corruption-is-still-to-be-revealed-now-that-the-trump-era-is-over/925510/77 "2020-11-19T00:16:52Z")
Barr has been unable to speak clearly because he’s constantly tonguing Trump’s fartbox. As is the duty of the AG. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-incompetence-and-corruption-is-still-to-be-revealed-now-that-the-trump-era-is-over/925510/78 "2020-11-19T00:33:45Z")
No disrespect meant, but that’s a great user avatar / post combo you got there **Lobohan**. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-much-more-incompetence-and-corruption-is-still-to-be-revealed-now-that-the-trump-era-is-over/925510/79 "2020-11-19T00:34:42Z")
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