Wrong analogy. Better ones would be societal goals like abolitionism, women’s suffrage, the progressive platform, or civil rights.
Huh. Thinking about it, conservatives fought each one of those to the death and postponed their adoption for decades. So, an even better analogy that they appeared at first glance.
No, actually all of those were achievable or at best vaguely defined things.
The Green New Deal would be more like saying that women will make up 100% of the workforce in 10 years, or that all racism will be eliminated from the human race in 10 years, and all it will take is a forced change to human nature and a complete restructuring of the economy that will cost about 10 times more than than the government’s entire budget per year.
What sources do you think I used? Name them and prove it, or SHUT UP with the subtle ad hominem sniping.
I hope you realize that your link proves my point. That tractor is a concept that is totally impractical and was designed as a demonstration of John Deere’s ability to come up with innovative ideas. It is not intended for market. Batteries are packed into every available space on that thing, and it still can’t work a large field without multiple recharges. Hell, with a 34 mile range, on some farms you’d almost have to charge it after driving it to the field. And I’m going to go out on a limb and say that the typical farmer’s field doesn’t have a 400 volt supercharging station, or whatever big-ass charger that’s needed to charge a 150 kwh battery in three hours…
And that’s right at the bottom end of size and power for industrial equipment. Now do the same exercise for a bucket wheel excavator, or a paving machine, or a road grader. Let me know what you find.
But congratulations - you found a prototype of a smallish, impractical concept tractor designed for farm machinery shows. So that plan for removing all fossil fuel heavy equipment in the U.S. within 10 years is right on track.
The evidence is not much about them misleading you (and I really pointed out many, many examples after many years) but about what they do not tell you, which is a lot.
Again that was to reply to your nonsense about not even having prototypes, BTW that was the first one, there are now two:
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This new generation of electric tractor prototype, evolution of the Sesam tractor rewarded at Sima last, is now autonomous. The cabin disappeared, like all that was no longer needed with an electric drive. With a maximum power of 400 hp, including 270 hp for tools, the prototype has a reel and a power cable.
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Now some will even complain about that power cable, but:
What is the most serious problem facing the entire world? Climate change. Global warming. The destruction of farmlands, the inevitability of massive drought, the unlivability of large swathes of the planet, the possibility that a billion people will be refugees. What can be done about that?
Realistically, a thousand things, some big, some small. But that’s not a political or social slogan. When talking about increased border security, Trump didn’t yell out “a thousand things, some big, some small.” He chanted Build the Wall. Even for a relatively small, relatively focused problem this was not a reasonable solution. But it worked. Even now, when the silliness of his solution is obvious, his supporters don’t break from him. They tell questioners that they knew all along it was just a slogan, but it answered a concern they had in a concise fashion.
You can spend time here going through the GND and yelling that it’s unrealistic and unachievable. People will yawn, at best. Of course it is. It’s a slogan and an abbreviation. GND is short for “realistically, a thousand things, some big, some small.” People want to hear that somebody in government is working on the most serious problem facing the world. They want to know that after years of hearing from the Republicans in office that global warming is fake news that somebody is taking the crisis seriously. Your continued opposition will just feed them, in the same way that liberal opposition to Trump feeds his base.
If you don’t like the tactic, you’re a little late in your criticism. If you don’t believe in global warming, you’re a little late on that too. You will have to live in that world for every day you remain alive. Your choices are to make it worse or a little less worse. I’ve made my choice. I don’t understand yours.
BTW that shows that D’Anconia is an ignorant of my posting history on this subject, I always defer and link to data, experts and scientists when this subject appears, not just my say so; as science writer Peter Hadfield says, that is not really important, what is important is to report what the media (and more usually right wing media) gets wrong about this issue in their reporting.
Over here, what was said about John Deere and the ongoing solar projects in San Bernandino county is evidence (That comes also from the horse’s mouth), and cited already. What D’Anconia attempts is not even a killing the messenger illogical move, but just a “nipping and nitpicking” of the messenger, a less effective move even as in reality it avoids dealing with the fact that the earlier linked report about a solar project being shelved does not mean ‘All California environmentalists are banning solar power projects and therefore we are doomed’, it is a crappy argument.
The evidence shows that the ones out there spinning that news to report that there is an effort, even in conservative California areas, to ban solar projects missed the mark in a gross way. (Even in the post I replied about this issue, it is clear that the poster wanted to make the point that it was the progressive environmentalists -in a mostly conservative area of California :rolleyes: - who opposed all solar power projects, so as to keep that wrong narrative going; no, they are not opposed to solar power projects in other places in their county or on their properties.
The context then was that deniers used that borderline situation to claim somehow that therefore the scientists claiming that more intense hurricanes could come were wrong as they were not showing off.
Of course since Sandy we had 6 hitting the mainland USA and 2 of them category 4.
And I have to notice that nowhere there D’Anconia explained the face plant that some sources out there had by implying that solar projects were not being approved because of “liberals”, when the county is mostly conservative and it actually had other solar projects going on.
It is really way past the time for posters from the conservative side to demand better from their sources * rather than trying to malign the ones that notice how crappy those sources are.
Or better yet, remove some links and unfriend those.