# How Popular Are Dogs... on a menu? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 3, 2008, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693 "2008-08-03T10:03:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/201 "2008-08-05T13:39:53Z")
[QUOTE=ivan astikov] Let me help you out. The figures given by **Who Me?** indicate there are 276 blatant trolling attempts within my post count. Go and get the 10 best examples, and we’ll go on from there, shall we? [/QUOTE] Would you like a moderator to re-title this thread to something more appropriate-like “Look At Me!” ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/202 "2008-08-05T13:46:56Z")
[QUOTE=Czarcasm] Would you like a moderator to re-title this thread to something more appropriate-like “Look At Me!” [/QUOTE] No, we should strive for honest and descriptive thread titles. “Fucking Moron Inside” should do nicely. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/203 "2008-08-05T13:52:57Z")
[QUOTE=Czarcasm] Would you like a moderator to re-title this thread to something more appropriate-like “Look At Me!” [/QUOTE] I take it you couldn’t find 10 examples? Look, I’ve already had the ‘exhibitionist’ tag thrown at me, but it doesn’t really match up to the evidence. If all I wanted to do was get my name on the main page, I’m doing a far worse job of it than your accusations of trolling would seem to imply. If I was merely here for confrontation, why would I be discriminatory with who I respond to? ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/204 "2008-08-05T13:55:43Z")
[QUOTE=ivan astikov] If I was merely here for confrontation, why would I be discriminatory with who I respond to? [/QUOTE] Laziness. Next! ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/205 "2008-08-05T14:00:10Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.] Laziness. Next! [/QUOTE] It’s nothing to do with laziness. I think you are referring to your thought processes. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/206 "2008-08-05T14:13:31Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.] No, we should strive for honest and descriptive thread titles. “Fucking Moron Inside” should do nicely. [/QUOTE] Oh, and that would be accurate…because you are in here! ---
**Author:** ![unstrung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a698b9/32.png) [@unstrung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unstrung)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/207 "2008-08-05T15:03:49Z")
I’m not sure that I think your intent is to troll. But, if you are gonna demand cites from people, you should probably provide some cites of your own. In this thread, you have asserted that: 1. There are far more people in the world who do not eat dog than people that do eat dog 2. The vast majority of the planet thinks that eating dog is morally wrong 3. The culture in most parts of the world is to respect dogs But, you have not provided any evidence that these are in fact true. Doing so would have probably helped significantly to convince people that you are not trying to be a troll. Just my two cents… ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/208 "2008-08-05T15:20:11Z")
[QUOTE=unstrung] I’m not sure that I think your intent is to troll. But, if you are gonna demand cites from people, you should probably provide some cites of your own. In this thread, you have asserted that: 1. There are far more people in the world who do not eat dog than people that do eat dog 2. The vast majority of the planet thinks that eating dog is morally wrong 3. The culture in most parts of the world is to respect dogs But, you have not provided any evidence that these are in fact true. Doing so would have probably helped significantly to convince people that you are not trying to be a troll. Just my two cents… [/QUOTE] And a very valid 2 cents worth. I’ll admit the above points I made were all ‘guesswork’, or vague generalisations, and I accept that I’ve let emotion creep into my posts far too often… but I definitely can’t see how that equals ‘trolling’. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/209 "2008-08-05T15:56:25Z")
[QUOTE=ivan astikov] And a very valid 2 cents worth. I’ll admit the above points I made were all ‘guesswork’, or vague generalisations, and I accept that I’ve let emotion creep into my posts far too often… but I definitely can’t see how that equals ‘trolling’. [/QUOTE] If I may. the trolling is displayed (or at least very effectively simulated to the point where the difference is trivial) by the following: Base: You hold opinion _A_ [ul][li]You show hostility to people who question the accuracy of _A_[/li][li]You show hostility to people who question the significance of _A_[/li][li]Rather than acknowledge the flaws in _A_, you add increasingly tenuous justifications for _A_ (“if you people think eating dogs is okay, why can’t we eat humans?”)[/li][li]You frequently respond with “I know you are, but what am I?”[/ul][/li] I’ve offered this advice before with no effect, but no matter. I’ll write a response to your premise with no personal rancor in it, just to see if you will or can respond in kind: Certainly, dogs are viewed as pets and companions in many nations, but this is not universal. If intelligence is to be a determining factor, I submit that if dogs are too smart to be eaten, pigs have an even better claim for protection. If the animal’s personal appeal (or any other subjective standard) is to be a determining factor, I can only suggest that you not eat any animal you feel sympathy for and acknowledge that others will do the same. If they happen to have been raised with no particular regard for dogs (or at least a level of regard comparable to what westerners generally have for cows and chickens), then eating dogs will not seem at all unusual to them. Were you raised in such a culture, it is reasonable to assume you would feel the same way. Saying such attitudes are primitive (or attaching other negative labels) does not prove your case for you. ---
**Author:** ![HongKongFooey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c4cdca/32.png) [@HongKongFooey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HongKongFooey)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/210 "2008-08-05T16:05:48Z")
Is it OK for trolls to eat dog meat, ivan? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/211 "2008-08-05T16:30:22Z")
Ah, he’s passed the point of being annoying to just being uninteresting. That’s pretty much the worst thing you can do here. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/212 "2008-08-05T17:39:22Z")
Is there a circus in town? There seems to be a fair few clowns about! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/213 "2008-08-05T17:44:16Z")
[QUOTE=ivan astikov] Is there a circus in town? There seems to be a fair few clowns about! [/QUOTE] If I recall correctly, the clowns are at the end of the circus parade, cleaning up the elephant shit. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/214 "2008-08-05T18:00:39Z")
If your post #208 asked a serious question, post #209 offered a serious answer, ivan. Are you going to respond to it? ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/215 "2008-08-05T18:22:31Z")
[QUOTE=ivan astikov] Is there a circus in town? There seems to be a fair few clowns about! [/QUOTE] Probably time to close this one down. Play nice for a while, and then light up another wreck like this one in a couple of weeks. If you really need attention you could shorten that to one week. Most of the same kids will wander back in to feed you. Typo Fix ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/216 "2008-08-05T18:39:37Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] If I may. the trolling is displayed (or at least very effectively simulated to the point where the difference is trivial) by the following: Base: You hold opinion _A_ [ul][li]You show hostility to people who question the accuracy of _A_[/li][li]You show hostility to people who question the significance of _A_[/li][/QUOTE] Same thing, more or less. I seem to recall the hostility being started by the opposition, with phrases like “you’re an idiot”, “troll”, and “sub-moronic”, being those I responded in kind to. I also ignored a few posters who had made sly digs, which was very un troll-like, don’t you think? You’re welcome to disagree. [QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] [li]Rather than acknowledge the flaws in _A_, you add increasingly tenuous justifications for _A_ (“if you people think eating dogs is okay, why can’t we eat humans?”)[/li][/QUOTE] I’ve already had a variation on this thrown my way from ‘the opposition’, so what’s good for the goose, etc! **“If people weren’t meant to be eaten, they wouldn’t be made of meat!”** [QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] [li]You frequently respond with “I know you are, but what am I?”[/ul][/li][/QUOTE] I don’t even know what that means! [QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] I’ve offered this advice before with no effect, but no matter. [/QUOTE] Hey, don’t raise a sweat on my behalf. [QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] I’ll write a response to your premise with no personal rancor in it, just to see if you will or can respond in kind: Certainly, dogs are viewed as pets and companions in many nations, but this is not universal. If intelligence is to be a determining factor, I submit that if dogs are too smart to be eaten, pigs have an even better claim for protection. If the animal’s personal appeal (or any other subjective standard) is to be a determining factor, I can only suggest that you not eat any animal you feel sympathy for and acknowledge that others will do the same. If they happen to have been raised with no particular regard for dogs (or at least a level of regard comparable to what westerners generally have for cows and chickens), then eating dogs will not seem at all unusual to them. Were you raised in such a culture, it is reasonable to assume you would feel the same way. Saying such attitudes are primitive (or attaching other negative labels) does not prove your case for you. [/QUOTE] I was wrong to call people primitives for eating dog. I actually meant those who eat it regularly for “medicinal purposes”, are akin to primitives. I hope that’s cleared up my stance a little? > **[What's wrong with eating dogs?](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2002/01/what-s-wrong-with-eating-dogs.html)** > > Nine months ago, Frame Game grossed out its readers by tackling a mounting controversy in newspapers and state legislatures: the ethics of having sex... [http://wolf.ok.ac.kr/~annyg/report/index.html](http://wolf.ok.ac.kr/~annyg/report/index.html) [http://www.everything2.com/e2node/Butchering%2520a%2520dog](http://www.everything2.com/e2node/Butchering%2520a%2520dog) Any of you could have provided one of the above links, and I would’ve had a far better understanding of the points you were trying to make, without anything getting personal. But instead you got all pissy about it and started coming out with your snide remarks and insinuations, trying to score petty little points. But cheers anyway, although it ain’t exactly been a pleasure. _If you haven’t tried to insult me, none of what I have typed above refers to you._ ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/217 "2008-08-05T18:55:54Z")
In the words of Dr Dogmeat; > [@](#): > > After making a survey of edibility of dog meat on 968 male adults and 539 female adults, totalled 1,502 persons, the results were primarily divided into ages and sexes, dealing with statistics by Statistical Analysis System. As a result, those who had eaten dog meat is average 83%, among them male adults is 91,9%, female adults is 67.9 %. The reason they have dog meat is as follows: in case of male adults “Following others going to dog meat restaurant and eating” shows high of 34.7 %, in female, “following family members who eat dog meat at home and eating” is most in the figure of 25.6%. Average 86.3 % favors edibility of dog meat, and among them, male is 92.3% and female 72.1%. The highest reason that male or female who opposed to edibility of dog meat is for being inhumane. 79.5% of male and 64.9 % of female know the fact that dog is exceptionally bred. The respondents answered most that dog meat was purchased from market. The first reason for objection to the criticism of eating dog meat is that male and female commonly answered most that **‘As dog meat food is our traditional food culture, it is not the problem to be found fault with by others.’** The second reason for that is followed by its deliciousness. In other words, “Fuck you, foreigner!”. And I’m the hostile one? ---
**Author:** ![unstrung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a698b9/32.png) [@unstrung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unstrung)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/218 "2008-08-05T19:15:09Z")
[QUOTE=ivan astikov] [Quote=Bryan Ekers] # Rather than acknowledge the flaws in A, you add increasingly tenuous justifications for A (“if you people think eating dogs is okay, why can’t we eat humans?”) [/QUOTE] I’ve already had a variation on this thrown my way from ‘the opposition’, so what’s good for the goose, etc! “If people weren’t meant to be eaten, they wouldn’t be made of meat!” [/QUOTE] This response is the sort of thing that **Bryan Ekers** is talking about when he mentions “I know you are, but what am I?”. But even if you want to make the “what’s good for the goose, etc” argument, please remember that it was waaaay back in post #3 that you first made the parallel between eating dogs and eating humans. I don’t think you can take any serious stance that anyone else started the conversation down that road. [QUOTE=ivan astikov] Any of you could have provided one of the above links, and I would’ve had a far better understanding of the points you were trying to make, without anything getting personal. But instead you got all pissy about it and started coming out with your snide remarks and insinuations, trying to score petty little points. But cheers anyway, although it ain’t exactly been a pleasure. [/QUOTE] (links deleted, but only because they already appear in **ivan** ’s post) Thing is, you were clearly able to find those links pretty easily on your own. As such, there is no reason to complain that people here didn’t provide them for you. Really, if you wanted to have a civilized discussion, it would have been better for you to do the Google search before starting the thread. I’m still not accusing you of being a troll, just offering insight into why people might be seeing it that way… On preview- [QUOTE=ivan astikov] In other words, “Fuck you, foreigner!”. And I’m the hostile one? [/QUOTE] But Dr. Dogmeat didn’t participate in this thread (unless he’s one of these posters, but I doubt it). In terms of the discussion here on the SDMB, you kinda were the one who turned hostile first, man… And even if you disagree regarding who turned hostile first, you could greatly up your cool factor at this point by helping to defuse the hostility, y’know? ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/219 "2008-08-05T19:15:29Z")
[QUOTE=ivan astikov] There’s a difference between trying to convert someone, and getting them to see your POV. One is impossible, for starters…no need to guess which one! As for the other, most replies seem to suggest I haven’t got one worth airing, which has been a salutary lesson. [/QUOTE] Dude, we **do** see your point of view. We also see **other people’s** point of view. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/220 "2008-08-05T19:15:36Z")
[QUOTE=ivan astikov] In the words of Dr Dogmeat; In other words, “Fuck you, foreigner!”. And I’m the hostile one? [/QUOTE] Bullshit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693.md?page=12)