# How Popular Are Dogs... on a menu? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 3, 2008, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693 "2008-08-03T10:03:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/221 "2008-08-05T19:26:11Z")
I have taken all your well observed comments on board **unstrung** , and I will say “Here’s my cyber-hand, here’s my cyber-heart!” to anyone I may have offended, as I didn’t intend my subjectivity to turn into hostility. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/222 "2008-08-05T20:04:08Z")
[QUOTE=ivan astikov] I have taken all your well observed comments on board **unstrung** , and I will say “Here’s my cyber-hand, here’s my cyber-heart!” to anyone I may have offended, as I didn’t intend my subjectivity to turn into hostility. [/QUOTE] I feel compelled to point out that at least some of the negative responses you’ve received are not the product of people taking offense, but simply people taking the opportunity to ridicule. In any case, extending your hand and your heart after your behaviour just ensures that a few weeks from now you’ll be doing it again, after the next time you behave in the exact same manner. A more adult reaction is to modify your behaviour so that when you have a valid point, you react in a more thoughtful way to respondents who present valid points of their own. That’ll get you respect. What you’re doing now never will. I have no idea if this is important to you or not. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/223 "2008-08-05T20:42:24Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] I feel compelled to point out that at least some of the negative responses you’ve received are not the product of people taking offense, but simply people taking the opportunity to ridicule. In any case, extending your hand and your heart after your behaviour just ensures that a few weeks from now you’ll be doing it again, after the next time you behave in the exact same manner. A more adult reaction is to modify your behaviour so that when you have a valid point, you react in a more thoughtful way to respondents who present valid points of their own. That’ll get you respect. What you’re doing now never will. I have no idea if this is important to you or not. [/QUOTE] Not Earth-shatteringly so, but I realise that respect should be earned, and not just handed out willy nilly, so I’ll work on modifying my approach, and try and be less antagonistic. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/224 "2008-08-05T21:23:44Z")
[QUOTE=ivan astikov] …I didn’t intend my subjectivity to turn into hostility. [/QUOTE] If you can get a hold of this, you may be a happy poster here from some time. There’s a lot of people on this board who think some downright fucking weird shit, and you’d best get used to it and try to learn something from them, else you’ll drive yourself nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/225 "2008-08-06T00:44:17Z")
[QUOTE=ivan astikov] I was wrong to call people primitives for eating dog. I actually meant those who eat it regularly for “medicinal purposes”, are akin to primitives. I hope that’s cleared up my stance a little? [/QUOTE] Bullshit, transparent bullshit at that; you didn’t even know about those supposed medicinal purposes before they where pointed out to you in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/226 "2008-08-06T02:23:09Z")
As a minor note, I recommend ivan check out [this classic thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=111345&page=1&pp=50&highlight=omnivores) in which someone started with a moral premise and was clearly not prepared to have it challenged. The OP of that thread might have been able to score some valid points if he had taken a less extreme tack, but was never able to resist expressing that people who disagreed with him were evil, stupid. primitive or defensive (that last one, in my book, is a sure sign that someone has abandoned logic - someone else dares to defend a different position; therefore they’re being “defensive”. Sadly, many users here let themselves get baited by this). Dog-eating, by the way, gets mentioned a few times. ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/227 "2008-08-06T04:39:26Z")
Seventeen fucking posts per day? Yes, you are an attention seeker. Probably just _aching_ to become a “Respected Poster”. Sweet Og, it must hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/228 "2008-08-06T04:59:05Z")
[QUOTE=Ale] Bullshit, transparent bullshit at that; you didn’t even know about those supposed medicinal purposes before they where pointed out to you in this thread. [/QUOTE] In the name of fairness I’d wish to amend that to “you didn’t even know about those supposed medicinal purposes before you read about them on the Wikipedia article you found well after starting this thread.” ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/229 "2008-08-06T08:58:18Z")
[QUOTE=Ale] Bullshit, transparent bullshit at that; you didn’t even know about those supposed medicinal purposes before they where pointed out to you in this thread. [/QUOTE] Do you really think I’d never heard that dogs were eaten for their supposed relation to sexual prowess? I never stated that I knew ‘nothing’ about the subject; I said I just didn’t fancy browsing for ‘more’ information, and coming across graphic imagery. I only need to see one video of a small dog farm, to get a good idea of what happens. I started the thread to try and get information… a more precise but less gory picture, if you may. \*\*Bryan \*\*, in the first response to that thread you mentioned, someone said, “ **This question has been asked before.** ”. But did they provide him with a link to said thread? No, Didn’t any of you bright sparks think of pointing me in that direction in the first place, or is it simply the case that you all like a good pile-on round theses parts. Because that’s exactly how it fucking seems. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/230 "2008-08-06T08:59:51Z")
[QUOTE=Klaatu] Seventeen fucking posts per day? Yes, you are an attention seeker. Probably just _aching_ to become a “Respected Poster”. Sweet Og, it must hurt. [/QUOTE] STFU! ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/231 "2008-08-06T09:09:17Z")
[QUOTE=Ale] In the name of fairness I’d wish to amend that to “you didn’t even know about those supposed medicinal purposes before you read about them on the Wikipedia article you found well after starting this thread.” [/QUOTE] And if you had read all my responses with a bit more care and less venom in your heart, you’d have read that I’d actually already seen that article. Don’t you think that would have been the first place I went, you lightweight, retarded fuckwit? As you can see , I don’t give a shit about the “respect” of idiots. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/232 "2008-08-06T10:10:31Z")
Just to prove I already had some awareness of what was involved in the eating of dogs prior to HNC’s wiki link. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10062772&postcount=24](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10062772&postcount=24) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10062883&postcount=36](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10062883&postcount=36) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/233 "2008-08-06T15:24:22Z")
[QUOTE=ivan astikov] \*\*Bryan \*\*, in the first response to that thread you mentioned, someone said, “ **This question has been asked before.** ”. But did they provide him with a link to said thread? No, Didn’t any of you bright sparks think of pointing me in that direction in the first place, or is it simply the case that you all like a good pile-on round theses parts. Because that’s exactly how it fucking seems. [/QUOTE] I don’t know why you’re taking it personally - that thread was about removing all meat from the human diet, not just dog meat, and it’s over six years old. I remember that thread fondly because I think I made some good arguments in it and to me it’s a near-perfect example of someone who started an interesting topic badly by pre-assuming those who disagreed with him were ignorant. I’m pretty sure very few others on the SDMB remember or care about that thread. And, sure, any “great debate” thread is likely to overlap material from a previous thread. So what? In any case, on several occasions I tried to advise that OP (“the great dalmuti”) in the same way I’ve tried to advise YOU - take a less extreme stance; concentrate on the firm facts of an issue rather than the slippery morality of it; don’t take disagreement as insult; recognize that you’re talking to adults. ---
**Author:** ![unstrung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a698b9/32.png) [@unstrung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unstrung)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/234 "2008-08-06T15:30:22Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] take a less extreme stance; concentrate on the firm facts of an issue rather than the slippery morality of it; don’t take disagreement as insult; recognize that you’re talking to adults. [/QUOTE] Seconding this… ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/235 "2008-08-06T15:40:46Z")
No offense guys, but most adults I know, stopped believing in trolls at about the age of 7 or 8. Still, that aside, I’ll bear your advice in mind during future encounters. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/236 "2008-08-06T15:58:01Z")
[QUOTE=ivan astikov] No offense guys, but most adults I know, stopped believing in trolls at about the age of 7 or 8. Still, that aside, I’ll bear your advice in mind during future encounters. [/QUOTE] This is exactly what I’m talking about - I’ve made a good-faith effort to talk to and advise you like an adult and you’re still playing the role of the “I’m too cool to listen” ten year-old in the schoolyard and the original issue of the thread (the eating of dog-meat) is now completely forgotten. My last bit of advice (well, prediction) is this; sooner or later, you’re going to exhibit this behaviour outside the Pit, rack up some warnings and get banned. I’ll add one of your threads to the “great dalmuti” thread I linked to earlier (and a few others I’ve noted over the years) to my list of examples to future posters who follow this same pattern and who I will try to advise. Maybe they’ll listen, probably they won’t. And again, I’ve no idea if this is important to you. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/237 "2008-08-06T16:10:52Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] This is exactly what I’m talking about - I’ve made a good-faith effort to talk to and advise you like an adult and you’re still playing the role of the “I’m too cool to listen” ten year-old in the schoolyard and the original issue of the thread (the eating of dog-meat) is now completely forgotten. My last bit of advice (well, prediction) is this; sooner or later, you’re going to exhibit this behaviour outside the Pit, rack up some warnings and get banned. I’ll add one of your threads to the “great dalmuti” thread I linked to earlier (and a few others I’ve noted over the years) to my list of examples to future posters who follow this same pattern and who I will try to advise. Maybe they’ll listen, probably they won’t. And again, I’ve no idea if this is important to you. [/QUOTE] **Bryan** , you are the one who accused me of the crime of “attention-seeking”, which just seems to me, a polite way of calling me a troll. Now personally, “trolling” means nothing to me, but I accept it is frowned upon by those who believe in them, and think that these evil creatures have the power to bring the internet to it’s cyber-knees. But, **[here’s](http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?_r=3&ref=magazine&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)** a reminder of the sort of people I am being compared to, and you don’t expect me to take it personally? ---
**Author:** ![unstrung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a698b9/32.png) [@unstrung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unstrung)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/238 "2008-08-06T16:16:22Z")
[QUOTE=ivan astikov] **Bryan** , you are the one who accused me of the crime of “attention-seeking”, which just seems to me, a polite way of calling me a troll. Now personally, “trolling” means nothing to me, but I accept it is frowned upon by those who believe in them, and think that these evil creatures have the power to bring the internet to it’s cyber-knees. But, **[here’s](http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?_r=3&ref=magazine&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)** a reminder of the sort of people I am being compared to, and you don’t expect me to take it personally? [/QUOTE] Well, either trolling means nothing to you, or trolling is a term that you take personally. Can’t really have it both ways. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/239 "2008-08-06T16:21:21Z")
[QUOTE=ivan astikov] **Bryan** , you are the one who accused me of the crime of “attention-seeking”, which just seems to me, a polite way of calling me a troll. Now personally, “trolling” means nothing to me, but I accept it is frowned upon by those who believe in them, and think that these evil creatures have the power to bring the internet to it’s cyber-knees. But, **[here’s](http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?_r=3&ref=magazine&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)** a reminder of the sort of people I am being compared to, and you don’t expect me to take it personally? [/QUOTE] Obtuse much? :rolleyes: You know damn well that we are using [this definition of “troll”.](http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mtroll.html) ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693/240 "2008-08-06T16:26:20Z")
[QUOTE=Czarcasm] Obtuse much? :rolleyes: You know damn well that we are using [this definition of “troll”.](http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mtroll.html) [/QUOTE] Look, whatever your definition, if you are accusing me of being one, the “facts” just don’t add up. Or is making 17 posts a day going to be added to Cecil’s definition? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-popular-are-dogs-on-a-menu/458693.md?page=13)