# how reputable is the sun, a uk newspaper **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [January 19, 2009, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966 "2009-01-19T08:29:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966/41 "2009-01-20T05:28:24Z")
> [@Ximenean](#): > > The real bottom of the barrel British tabloid is the Daily Star, aimed at people who find the Sun a bit too cerebral. The Mirror is on about the same level as the Sun. > Personally I’d rather read the Sun or Mirror than the supposedly more upmarket Daily Mail and Express, which are vile and despicable rags. At least the Sun doesn’t take itself too seriously, whereas the Mail and Express have a genuinely nasty edge to them. I agree though the Guardian isn’t much better. I gave up when the sports desk started to routinely criticize Bush :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966/42 "2009-01-20T09:35:11Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > I agree though the Guardian isn’t much better. I gave up when the sports desk started to routinely criticize Bush :rolleyes: I gave up on the Graun when I worked in a government policy they had it in for and the sheer depth and breadth of the lies they were willing to tell to make their point became evident. Given how the Graun presents itself as a shining beacon of ethics and morality that was the end of the line for me. ---
**Author:** ![BACI](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ce73a5/32.png) [@BACI](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BACI)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966/43 "2009-01-20T10:03:23Z")
I suspect most of the staff on the Sun are at least peripherally aware that they are more in the entertainment business than the news business. What shits me to tears are papers such as the august Melbourne Age that present as serious broadsheets but indulge in the worst kind of prurience and go to almost any lengths to make their headlines pun. At least the Sun is content to be what it is. ---
**Author:** ![Rayne\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/df705f/32.png) [@Rayne\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rayne_Man)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966/44 "2009-01-20T10:34:35Z")
For an insight on some of the lies that the paper regularly prints have a look here :- [http://the-sun-lies.blogspot.com/](http://the-sun-lies.blogspot.com/) ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966/45 "2009-01-20T11:50:05Z")
The Sun will consistantly have mammary glands on page 3. Thats about all that they are consistant or reputable about. ---
**Author:** ![slaphead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@slaphead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slaphead)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966/46 "2009-01-20T17:20:17Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > **SUN SLAMMED BY IGNORANT GEEKS** Well played sir, well played. [Golf Clap] ---
**Author:** ![chowder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@chowder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chowder)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966/47 "2009-01-20T20:17:38Z")
> [@Bam\_Boo\_Gut](#): > > I suspect even the tits are touched up. Put me down as a toucherupper. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Rayne\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/df705f/32.png) [@Rayne\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rayne_Man)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966/48 "2009-01-20T20:57:57Z")
> [@chowder](#): > > Put me down as a toucherupper. 😛 It’s £150 a week. I hope you can afford that. ---
**Author:** ![chowder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@chowder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chowder)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966/49 "2009-01-21T09:06:37Z")
Another example of the stupidity of the Sun. The proposed transfer of Kaka from Milan to Man City was in the region of £100M. This in itself is a ridiculous amount, but The Sun went further and quoted the deal as being £238M ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966/50 "2009-01-21T13:02:16Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > The Sun will consistantly have mammary glands on page 3. Thats about all that they are consistant or reputable about. IANA reader of The Sun, but IIRC the weekend editions of the paper are tit-free? So that’s another thing you can’t rely on it for. ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966/51 "2009-01-21T14:26:55Z")
> [@TwistofFate](#): > > The Sun, a paper that revels in it’s own ignorance. it’s = _it is_ or _it has_ its = _that which belongs to it_ ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966/52 "2009-01-21T15:05:05Z")
> [@Walloon](#): > > it’s = _it is_ or _it has_ > its = _that which belongs to it_ You know those comments people make about how much they hate posters who feel the need to point out spelling and grammar errors? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966/53 "2009-01-21T15:09:07Z")
> [@Illuminatiprimus](#): > > You know those comments people make about how much they hate posters who feel the need to point out spelling and grammar errors? Eh, I nevr beleev tehm. ---
**Author:** ![Rayne\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/df705f/32.png) [@Rayne\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rayne_Man)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966/54 "2009-01-21T15:23:09Z")
On the question of the use of English. The Sun might be a crap newspaper but last year it was given an award by the Plain English Campaign . Quote:- \*The judges said of The Sun: “It was time to honour its hard-hitting, frank and plain-speaking journalism. “It can be difficult to deliver political news without resorting to jargon but The Sun’s writers and subeditors are skilled at copy which informs rather than condescends.”\* Could it mean that they only use very simple words to match the intelligence its readers? ---
**Author:** ![slaphead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@slaphead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slaphead)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966/55 "2009-01-21T23:04:17Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > IANA reader of The Sun, but IIRC the weekend editions of the paper are tit-free? > So that’s another thing you can’t rely on it for. Eh? Surely the ‘weekend Sun’ is The News of The World - notable for a lack of many things, but tits aplenty. ---
**Author:** ![Crusoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@Crusoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crusoe)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966/56 "2009-01-21T23:56:50Z")
Isn’t there a Saturday _Sun_? ---
**Author:** ![PaulParkhead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@PaulParkhead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PaulParkhead)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2009, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966/57 "2009-01-22T02:39:39Z")
> [@Rayne\_Man](#): > > On the question of the use of English. The Sun might be a crap newspaper but last year it was given an award by the Plain English Campaign . Quote:- > > \*The judges said of The Sun: “It was time to honour its hard-hitting, frank and plain-speaking journalism. > > “It can be difficult to deliver political news without resorting to jargon but The Sun’s writers and subeditors are skilled at copy which informs rather than condescends.”\* > > Could it mean that they only use very simple words to match the intelligence its readers? ISTR my mother, an educational psychologist, pointing out to me that by some measures, _The Sun_ has a reading age of about 9. I can’t provide a cite. She probably could, but I doubt she’d be interested enough to do so. ETA: I always found political news very easy to understand. News about science, art and so on tends to be more challenging. ---
**Author:** ![chowder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@chowder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chowder)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2009, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966/58 "2009-01-22T08:42:42Z")
> [@slaphead](#): > > Eh? Surely the ‘weekend Sun’ is The News of The World - notable for a lack of many things, but tits aplenty. Monday to Saturday I buy The Telegraph. Sunday I get the NoTW for the football reports which are the best of the bunch. Honestly;) ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2009, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966/59 "2009-01-22T13:05:55Z")
> [@Rayne\_Man](#): > > On the question of the use of English. The Sun might be a crap newspaper but last year it was given an award by the Plain English Campaign . Quote:- > > \*The judges said of The Sun: “It was time to honour its hard-hitting, frank and plain-speaking journalism. > > “It can be difficult to deliver political news without resorting to jargon but The Sun’s writers and subeditors are skilled at copy which informs rather than condescends.”\* > > Could it mean that they only use very simple words to match the intelligence its readers? The Plain English Campaign group is a bunch of idiots. I’ve seen them castigate perfectly lucid English because it seems complex to them, and this in legal and parliamentary documents where ‘simple’ sentences and wording would be disastrous by their ambiguity and vagueness. The media pay these fools far too much attention. ---
**Author:** ![Lust4Life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lust4Life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lust4Life)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2009, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966/60 "2009-01-22T13:45:15Z")
> [@chowder](#): > > Monday to Saturday I buy The Telegraph. > > Sunday I get the NoTW for the football reports which are the best of the bunch. > > Honestly;) I believe you cos I buy the Sport for its financial news. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-reputable-is-the-sun-a-uk-newspaper/481966.md?page=4)