# How’s Carney doing, Canada? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2025, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850 "2025-05-04T03:54:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2025, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/241 "2025-08-24T14:30:57Z")
Saying I’m in the minority isn’t an argument, it’s just a way to brush off my perspective, and I’ve seen that a lot in this thread. The whole point of debate is evidence and reasoning, not whether most people agree. Minority views are still valid and deserve to be heard. Look at Orcenio’s rant. He dismisses people’s real worries about providing for their families by calling them fascists. That’s not engaging with facts, that’s attacking people to shut them up. He even says they are “scapegoating minorities” while doing the exact same thing. Pot, meet kettle. Labeling concerns as “pro-Trump” or “fascist” doesn’t solve anything, it just avoids the argument. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2025, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/242 "2025-08-24T15:40:17Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > He dismisses people’s real worries about providing for their families by calling them fascists. That’s not engaging with facts, that’s attacking people to shut them up. Ha! These Alberta Separatist weirdos are worthy of mocking. They do not care one bit about providing for their families. And YES they are Trump loving Fash. Trump is a 100% fascistic malice filled wannabe emperor. You refuse to open your eyes and see, but I’m not blind. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2025, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/243 "2025-08-26T13:41:43Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Saying I’m in the minority isn’t an argument, it’s just a way to brush off my perspective, and I’ve seen that a lot in this thread. The whole point of debate is evidence and reasoning, not whether most people agree. Minority views are still valid and deserve to be heard. Stating unsupported opinions isn’t an argument either, and pointing out that the vast majority of people hold a different opinion to you isn’t “brushing off your perspective”; it’s presenting evidence that your opinion is likely wrong. What we _have_ seen a lot of in this thread is you presenting unsupported opinions as statements of fact, and then objecting when evidence and reasoning is applied to them. “The earth is flat” is also a minority view. Does it deserve to be heard _without_ evidence and reasoning applied to it? I have no views on Albertans per se, but as to those supporting Trumpist policies (in either country): > [@Uzi](#): > > He dismisses people’s real worries about providing for their families by calling them fascists. That’s not engaging with facts, that’s attacking people to shut them up. And if those “real worries” are not remotely based in reality, should that not be pointed out? What if the fact is that they _do_ support fascist policies - does an irrational belief that they have a legitimate basis for doing so negate that? One can “dismiss people’s worries” and “call them fascists” while still “engaging with facts”. And Trump supporters (in general) now support fascist policies. That is a fact. > [@Uzi](#): > > He even says they are “scapegoating minorities” while doing the exact same thing. Pot, meet kettle. If we’re still talking about Trump supporters, they are not remotely the same thing. Minorities are _not_ engaged in a widespread criminal rampage, are _not_ taking over cities and terrorizing the populaces, are _not_ stealing and eating people’s pets. What are these people with “real worries about providing for their families” being scapegoated for that they’re **not doing**? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2025, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/244 "2025-08-27T01:03:26Z")
Canada, Germany sign critical minerals deal [Carney news: Canada, Germany sign critical minerals deal](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/canada-eyes-deeper-energy-ties-with-germany-through-critical-minerals-partnership/) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2025, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/245 "2025-08-27T01:04:37Z")
New port infrastructure investment to be unveiled soon. This will be important as we move towards sending more of our goods overseas. [Carney says Canada will soon announce funding for port infrastructure](https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/carney-says-canada-will-soon-announce-funding-for-port-infrastructure/ar-AA1LgJ21?ocid=BingNewsVerp) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2025, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/246 "2025-08-27T02:08:56Z")
Submarine procurement moving along; Germany and South Korea in the running. [Canada cuts submarine buyer list to Germany, South Korea](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/canada-takes-next-step-in-submarine-procurement-project-as-pm-tours-one-of-two-qualified-suppliers/) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2025, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/247 "2025-08-27T02:11:49Z")
Canada’s inflation rate drops to 1.7% in July. Compare with 2.7% July rate in US [Inflation fell to 1.7% in July - MoneySense](https://www.moneysense.ca/news/inflation-cpi-july-2025-canada/) ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2025, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/248 "2025-08-27T12:27:48Z")
LNG deliveries in discussion with Germany [Canada to launch talks on shipping LNG to German customers](https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/oil-gas/canada-to-launch-talks-on-shipping-lng-to-german-customers) But I was told there wasn’t a business case to ship LNG to Europe? ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2025, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/249 "2025-08-27T12:36:46Z")
[Abacus Data Poll: Conservatives Edge Ahead as Cost of Living Dominates and Trump Fades](https://abacusdata.ca/abacus-data-poll-conservatives-edge-ahead-as-cost-of-living-dominates-and-trump-fades/) As predicted. Now that Elbows down is the order of the day the numbers will start to shift even further. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2025, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/250 "2025-08-27T13:59:13Z")
It is entirely possible that this Abacus poll is an accurate reflection of the Canadian population, but it is affirmatively true that it is [currently an outlier among all the polling info we currently have](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_46th_Canadian_federal_election#Table_of_polls). Don’t put too much faith in outliers in your data. The weekly Canadian political polling podcast I follow says just as much. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/SLdSg5UshEY/maxresdefault.jpg "The Numbers: Are Carney's Liberals losing steam?") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLdSg5UshEY) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2025, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/251 "2025-08-27T14:25:22Z")
Trade talks with USA resume - Leblanc in Washington. I assume Carney had something to do with this, and Leblanc didn’t just pop down on his own. I forget, are we supposed to hate Carney because he’s doing trade talks and is bowing to Trump, or hate him because he should be more conciliatory to Trump? It’s hard to keep track. [LeBlanc has lengthy and constructive meeting with Lutnick in Washington](https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/leblanc-has-lengthy-and-constructive-meeting-with-lutnick-in-washington/ar-AA1Lha2p?ocid=BingNewsSerp) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2025, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/252 "2025-08-27T14:26:35Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > But I was told there wasn’t a business case to ship LNG to Europe? Interestingly, things can change in the international trade world. Who knew? ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2025, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/253 "2025-08-27T14:28:38Z")
If you feel the need to hate him have at it. Or, you can accept criticism for what it is and not assume it is hate that drives it. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2025, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/254 "2025-08-27T14:29:18Z")
Canada is looking into free trade deal with Mercosur (South American trade bloc). It seems we’re working on many fronts. [(1) Canada seeks free trade pact with South American bloc Mercosur in new talks - National | Globalnews.ca](https://globalnews.ca/news/11349682/canada-mercosur-south-america-free-trade-talks/) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2025, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/255 "2025-08-27T14:35:39Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Or, you can accept criticism for what it is and not assume it is hate that drives it. You appear to have missed the point. Criticism is fine, but what we’re often seeing is criticism that is mercurial, inconsistent and flailing. Carney is apparently not doing it right no matter what. Just wait to see what he does and find a reason to criticize - even if this is directly opposite to the criticism levied last week. It’s opposition for the sake of opposition. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2025, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/256 "2025-08-27T14:58:49Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > But I was told there wasn’t a business case to ship LNG to Europe? Who told you that, and when? The loss of the Russia as an energy provider (due to embargos or just pipelines going boom) has changed the energy profile of large sections of Europe. I don’t know how much of the current demand for LNG sources has changed (vs movement to other power sources) but I’m guessing Carney does. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2025, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/257 "2025-08-27T15:06:59Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Who told you that, and when? Mr. Peoplekind [Justin Trudeau douses excitement over East Coast gas exports | Financial Post](https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/oil-gas/trudeau-douses-excitement-over-east-coast-gas-exports-calling-business-case-weak) But I’m pretty sure you already knew that. And if they had done something then, we’d be close to coming online now potentially earning billions for Canada. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2025, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/258 "2025-08-27T15:25:37Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Mr. Peoplekind [Justin Trudeau douses excitement over East Coast gas exports | Financial Post](https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/oil-gas/trudeau-douses-excitement-over-east-coast-gas-exports-calling-business-case-weak) “Trudeau said Canada’s best chance of helping its allies may be to supply natural gas via existing pipelines to the U.S.” Published Aug 22, 2022 Gee, whatever could have happened in the last two years to change this analysis? How dare that awful “Mr” Tru-dope not anticipate the absolute clusterfuck that no one else predicted! I’m of half a mind to demand he step down from being Prime Minister! ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2025, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/259 "2025-08-27T16:05:25Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > “Trudeau said Canada’s best chance of helping its allies may be to supply natural gas via existing pipelines to the U.S.” What was the opportunity cost of doing that? Why build our own LNG ports anyways? Having ex-drama teachers determine economic policy is probably not a good idea…But wasn’t Carney his economic advisor at this time? Brookfield owns 25% of an LNG facility in Cove Point LNG terminal in the US and up to 50% in the NGPL pipeline system. Interesting. Would they benefit from increased LNG flowing from Canada? Carney wasn’t an official advisor. If he was he’d have had to declare the conflict. The reality is that Canada loses when it can’t export its own products directly. Even a drama teacher should know that. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2025, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/260 "2025-08-27T16:38:35Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > What was the opportunity cost of doing that? You don’t understand why using existing pipelines would allow Canada to help its allies now rather than waiting several years to build new ports? What would have been the opportunity cost for _not_ doing it? > [@Uzi](#): > > Why build our own LNG ports anyways? Seems like you’re arguing for the sort of massive government infrastructure projects you were condemning Trudeau and Carney for earlier. > [@Uzi](#): > > But wasn’t Carney his economic advisor at this time? > [@Uzi](#): > > Carney wasn’t an official advisor. So was he or wasn’t he? > [@Uzi](#): > > If he was he’d have had to declare the conflict. Oh I see - he was Schrodinger’s economic advisor, and you’re just trying to collapse the waveform in a way that insinuates the most incompetence and corruption. > [@Uzi](#): > > Even a drama teacher should know that. Are you under the impression this strengthens your argument at all? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850.md?page=14)