# How’s Carney doing, Canada? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2025, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850 "2025-05-04T03:54:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/41 "2025-06-30T15:28:42Z")
Wait. Do you think Carney should or shouldn’t have removed the tax? It did seem kind of silly that Champagne said the tax was definitely going ahead despite the US objections and then a week later it’s “just kidding.” ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/42 "2025-06-30T15:56:55Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Yes, leveraging eastern Canadians fear of Trump and making them think he was the best person to deal with him. Obviously that is proving false. If it’s false that Carney was the best person to deal with Trump, that means that someone else was a better person to deal with him. Who? ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/43 "2025-06-30T16:48:44Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > Wait. Do you think Carney should or shouldn’t have removed the tax? Whatever Carney did, I believe @Uzi wants the other one. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/44 "2025-06-30T17:14:41Z")
Either does want, or will want, depending on when he finds out. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/45 "2025-06-30T18:56:18Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > It did seem kind of silly that Champagne said the tax was definitely going ahead despite the US objections and then a week later it’s “just kidding.” It was a move that signalled weakness. It was very, very stupid, and will have negative consequences. It’s my first big disappointment in Carney. The economic logic of it is lost on Trump and his minions. They’re predators. No deal with them will be respected. This move won’t been seen a a gesture of good faith. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/46 "2025-06-30T19:07:30Z")
I think it was a serious error. You cannot assuage a bully. Columbia U. found that out, as did some law firms. I would have doubled down in some way. Maybe cut off electricity. Or doubling tariffs on US imports. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/47 "2025-06-30T19:11:57Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > Or doubling tariffs on US imports. That just hurts Canadians. Our strongest play is to raise the export fees on things we sell to them with a low elasticity of demand: electricity, oil, minerals. Tack on five or ten percent and you pull billions from their pockets and into ours, without a correspondingly high decrease in demand. It breaks USMCA, but Trump already broke it. Carney needs some provincial buy in and wpould have to redirect a lot of the revenue to the companies selling that stuff to account for the limited demand reduction, but get working on that. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/48 "2025-06-30T23:07:51Z")
Yeah. The only thing trump will notice or respect is Carney kicking the USA and its consumers directly in the 'nads. Hard. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/49 "2025-06-30T23:34:21Z")
Hard to say. Big Computer makes billions of dollars selling services and stuff to Canadians and some tax on that is reasonable. I don’t know enough about what taxes they get, what other countries do, and what alternatives are in the works. If the tax was simply passed on to Canadian consumers, as seemed likely, the poor might be affected more than the wealthy. Percentage-wise. If they wanted to do it, they should have not had a long delay until after the election. There is no doubt the timing sucks, even if you could swallow the content. Canadian business folk saw it as an obvious irritant. Carney caved and this seems likely to make Trump claim he’s gong to “take his ball and go home” every time he feels colicky. But what alternatives did Carney have? ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/50 "2025-07-01T00:43:02Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > Wait. Do you think Carney should or shouldn’t have removed the tax? Was I commenting about the tax? No, I wasn’t. 1. Carney has proven indecisive and without the minimum amount of foresight that should be required in a PM. Trump’s main concern is the trade deficit. He uses tariffs to attempt to balance that scale. The PM then adds a tax that further tips the balance back. Trump takes his ball and goes home. Who here could not see this would happen? 2. As to the tax. Liberals tax. That is all they really know how to do. Well, and get kickbacks (i.e. Bill C-5). That being said, if you make money in Canada, then you should pay tax in some fashion depending on the laws in place for selling into that country. e.g GST. The tax law can be complex and there are perfectly legitimate reasons a foreign company may not pay taxes the same way that Canadian companies may not pay taxes selling elsewhere. The US and Canada have double taxation treaties in place. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Liberals were trying to find a way around that. But I don’t know enough about this situation to say for sure. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/51 "2025-07-01T00:55:33Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > > [@Palooka](#): > > > > t did seem kind of silly that Champagne said the tax was definitely going ahead despite the US objections and then a week later it’s “just kidding.” > > It was a move that signalled weakness. It was very, very stupid, and will have negative consequences. It’s my first big disappointment in Carney. Maybe. I don’t mean that in any sarcastic or negative sense, I literally mean maybe in the sense that we’ll find out on due course. From my limited knowledge, I disagree with the digital services tax in the first place. While nothing with Trump is ever in good faith, if this puts trade negotiations back on the table and avoids further escalation, then it’s a good thing. Remember that I criticized Keir Starmer for being a Trump bootlicker – and I still do – but the UK has a new trade deal with the US, signed at the G7 Summit in Canada. We simply need to do what’s necessary while this American disaster plays itself out. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/52 "2025-07-01T01:00:44Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > As to the tax. Liberals tax. That is all they really know how to do Respectfully, that’s a load of bullshit. Exhibit A: the GST. Conservative governments on the average result in a poorer economy than Liberal governments. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/53 "2025-07-01T01:44:13Z")
No, no. I’ve posted GDP numbers previously and been shot down for them being meaningless. Post the proof for your statement. [Carney to be biggest spender in Canadian history (even surpassing PM Blackface)](https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/carney-poised-dethrone-trudeau-biggest-spender-canadian-history?utm_source=chatgpt.com) And no budget to justify it. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/54 "2025-07-01T02:06:41Z")
I’m not engaging anymore with someone who keeps the posting the blackface shit. You’ve poisoned the well. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/55 "2025-07-01T02:21:31Z")
Oh, good, an extremely objective, totally factual link from the fucking **Fraser Institute**! Not gonna waste my bandwidth on that. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/56 "2025-07-01T05:49:13Z")
Pants down Carney? ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/57 "2025-07-01T05:58:00Z")
Speaking of poisoning the well. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/58 "2025-07-01T06:18:19Z")
Great way to deflect and not have to back up your claims. Not sure what you’re upset about? He was the pm and he wore black face. To poison the well I’d have had to have posted something to discredit someone or prevent a rebutle. You think people in this thread won’t judge your argument fairly because I slammed the guy they most likely voted for? ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/59 "2025-07-01T07:46:15Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > I’m not engaging anymore with someone who keeps the posting the blackface shit. > [@Uzi](#): > > Not sure what you’re upset about? He was the pm and he wore black face. Yes, he was the PM, and he wore blackface in his younger days, long before he got into politics. Big fucking deal. I’d suggest that most Canadians got over that ten years ago. Whoop-de-doo. Blackface is offensive, yes, but not nearly as offensive as it is in the United States. But we are Canadian, not American. Chalk it up to “Justin Trudeau’s stupid youthful ignorant indiscretions,” and let it be and move on. Like most Canadians did. Besides, Justin is gone. He no longer holds any sway over Canadian politics. I’d suggest that you are flogging a dead horse if you continue to bring him up. Mr. Carney is the subject of this thread. Let’s stick to discussing him, shall we? ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/60 "2025-07-01T08:29:45Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Chalk it up to “Justin Trudeau’s stupid youthful ignorant indiscretions,” and let it be and move on. Like most Canadians did. But he’s a disgruntled separatist. Separatists can’t move on from something g they were butthurt about ten years ago. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850.md?page=4)