# How’s Carney doing, Canada? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2025, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850 "2025-05-04T03:54:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/101 "2025-08-04T14:06:54Z")
The same judgement that saw the digital services tax implemented and then scrapped days later? The same judgement that saw Canada’s recognition of Palestine with caveats that aren’t going to occur, so the recognition isn’t going to occur, just as his deadline is coming up? The one Trump is now using as an excuse not to make a deal? How does recognizing Palestine, which hasn’t happened for 70+ years, right now rather than a week from now make a good deal for Canadians? Frankly, explain the logic of this because it doesn’t make any sense unless the worst is assumed? And that is Carney knows he can’t make a deal and is using this as the excuse the deal isn’t getting done rather than his inability to make a deal otherwise. This way he gets to blame Trump and deflect from his broken promises to get it done by a certain date. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2025, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/102 "2025-08-05T06:46:50Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > And that is Carney knows he can’t make a deal and is using this as the excuse the deal isn’t getting done rather than his inability to make a deal otherwise. This way he gets to blame Trump and deflect from his broken promises to get it done by a certain date. Jeez, I almost get the feeling you don’t like Carney or something. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2025, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/103 "2025-08-05T08:09:17Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Jeez, I almost get the feeling you don’t like Carney or something. Jeez, I almost get the feeling you like Carney or something. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2025, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/104 "2025-08-05T11:03:38Z")
Some people/politicians are all brag, blow and bluster. And there are times that call for such. Then there are those who are more comfortable acting quietly, subtly, more at ease without the glare of the spot light. It would seem to me, we’ve all had our fill of the former. I personally find the latter, a refreshing and welcome change in the political arena. Also, he’s not spewing lies and calling people childish names. I find I really like that in a politician. Also I think, ‘Deep connections in international banking and finance.’, is a better flex than, ‘I’m tight with all the richest dudes on earth!’ ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2025, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/105 "2025-08-05T11:59:12Z")
June 30th > [@Canada: GovGen dissolves Parliament, Carney drops the writ, and the election is on!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-govgen-dissolves-parliament-carney-drops-the-writ-and-the-election-is-on/1015985/958): > > Well Carney caves at the first sign of pushback as expected. > [Digital services tax scrapped](https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2025/06/canada-rescinds-digital-services-tax-to-advance-broader-trade-negotiations-with-the-united-states.html) > So, while I thought ‘Con Carney’ was a fitting name given the nature of how he was elected, now I have to rethink that name for something else: > > Cave-in Carney? Too obvious. > Capitulation Carney? Not snappy enough. > How about Flip Flop Carney, or Floppy Elbows Carney? Yeah, that seems about right. > [@Uzi](#): > > Yes, leveraging eastern Canadians fear of Trump and making them think he was the best person to deal with him. Obviously that is proving false. > Tax on! Tax off! A sign of someone who might have been successful within the constrained environment of an organization, but doesn’t know how to manage things in the fluid environment of politics. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that Trump would react like the violent ape he is. It’s what he does. July 1st > [@Uzi](#): > > Pants down Carney? > [@Uzi](#): > > Dithering. Tax on, Tax off. I guess once he realized his mistake and corrected it is a good thing, but it was obvious that Trump wouldn’t like it and would object. Maybe he thinks he is more than a boil on the elephants behind. Aug 2nd > [@Uzi](#): > > So, we went from deals being made within 30 days after the election, to Aug 1st, to ? Even Mexico managed to get a 90 day extension. I thought this was a key platform? Wasn’t this guy the Trump Whisperer? > [@Uzi](#): > > Everyone else has signed a bad deal then? > > Carney said he’d make a deal. We can assume he meant a good deal when he said that. He said that knowing what Trump is. So, no backsies saying that Trump is mean. > [@Uzi](#): > > The failure isn’t the issue. Telling people he was the one to make the deal and then not doing it, or not having the intention of doing it, is the issue. He lied, people believed it. Don’t get mad at me for calling it out. > > Elbows up into poverty. > [@Uzi](#): > > What venom? He said he’d make deals in set time frames. He hasn’t. He said he’d do this knowing full well who Trump is. He scared the public to vote for him saying he was the only one who could deal with trump. So the reality is he either lied, he has no idea what he is doing, or he doesn’t want a deal. So what you are saying is that Carney has lost your vote? Putting aside your rhetoric that Carney is a weak flip-flop, THEN CHANGED to Carney’s hard elbows will destroy our country… I’m sure if he secured a deal you’d hate that one too. Or you’d bring up something else to hate about him. You just hate Carney. You hate him because he is the leader of the Liberals. Its fine to hate Carney, and its fine to hate him because he is a Liberal. What’s hilarious is how you entertain this fig leaf that you hate him because of some honest evaluation of his policy and actions. No. You have hated him regardless of anything. You have hated him right off of the bat (starting months ago). You’ve hated him personally and quite consistently on that basis too. Again, all fine. You are allowed to hate the PM on whatever basis. That’s your right. Just don’t think that your hated gives you the ability to convince anyone else that Carney is at fault for failing to secure a deal with Trump. All Canadians will blame Trump. Anyone who is not blinded by hatred of Carney will blame Trump. We have all seen and heard of Trump’s shit. We all hate him. He has threatened our safety and livelihoods. Carney could whip his dick out and place it on the negotiating table telling the Yanks to “yank on this” and a GOOD chunk of Canadians would cheer him on. Read the room. Even if you think you are brilliantly right (like a master debater), Canadians are so sick and tired of Trump’s shit that we have been poisoned and sicken by anything to do with him. That is just where we are at. ETA: I have no evidence that Carney’s team are engaging in any uncouth behaviour during negotiations. When talking to the press they have been always extremely cordial even in the face of Howard Lutnick’s taunts and Trumps tantrums. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2025, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/106 "2025-08-05T12:10:56Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > Just don’t think that your hated gives you the ability to convince anyone else that Carney is at fault for failing to secure a deal with Trump. And here’s the thing: He hasn’t “failed to secure a deal with Trump”, any more than Trump has failed to secure a deal with us. We’re still negotiating, it’s only been three months since the election, for fuck’s sake. Anyone who thinks we should have whipped out a deal on one of the largest trade partnerships in the world this fast is as stupid as Trump. Look at the crap he’s bragging about with Japan and Europe. There’s no detail there, it’s all just hand-waving. That’s not what Canada needs, and not what the US needs either. Yes, being responsible takes time, and doesn’t lend itself well to cheap shot tweets. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2025, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/107 "2025-08-05T12:16:51Z")
Why don’t you answer the question? What purpose is there to piss off Trump by recognizing the Palestinians at the same time important negotiations are under way that affects the lively hood of tens of thousands of Canadians? The rational people get it, you hate Trump. You’d rather thousands of people lose their jobs just so you can spit in his eye. You hate him so much that you can’t cast a critical eye on your guy’s lack of action and incompetence. The larger room is full of those Canadians who don’t want to lose their jobs because Carney can’t deliver on HIS promises. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2025, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/108 "2025-08-05T12:22:55Z")
It must be my hyper-partisan hate that blinds me. Clearly. Or, it’s not about Palestine, like its not about fentanyl. Its not Carney either. Its Trump. Trump is why we are having difficulties getting a deal. Trump is not consistent nor reliable in anything he does. Everything he says is a lie. He has pure malice towards us. Or I’m blind. Just blind. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2025, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/109 "2025-08-05T13:28:48Z")
Of course Trump is the problem. You elected Carney because you thought he was the answer because he said he was the answer. He now knows he isn’t the answer and is playing the distraction game with Palestine. The real answer is that we can’t be dependent on the US as our only customer. But that takes years to resolve and so far, nothing is being done to resolve it. The US is eating our lunch because if they see a market they develop it. If we see a market, and we don’t (Trudeau saying their is no market for LNG. Another reason that bill C5 will fail is that government can’t see opportunity and will bet on cricket farms), it takes us significantly longer to get shit done with more risk. Money moves elsewhere. So, in the mean time, we have to bandaid our relationship with the US and get the best deal we can at this time. Or, we can do what Carney is doing and keep poking the elephant with a stick. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2025, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/110 "2025-08-05T13:54:36Z")
To be fair people elected Carney because the Conservatives somehow managed to fuck up a 25 point lead over a flatlining Liberal party. Now maybe that kind of incompetence doesn’t speak to their abilities to advocate for distinct Canadian foreign policy positions or independent trade choices. But when you _want_ to be a dependent appendage to American power maybe it helps. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2025, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/111 "2025-08-05T14:37:13Z")
In retrospect, I definitely should have voted for the party that would have made Trump act like a rational person. (Not sure what party that is, though.) ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2025, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/112 "2025-08-05T15:16:44Z")
Holy fuck. Maybe, just maybe, the stuff about Palestine is _actually about_ Palestine, where mass starvation is occurring and several countries of which Canada is just one are threatening to recognize Palestine in order to place pressure on Israel to stop starving Palestinian children already. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the US outside the fact that Trump is a Bibi fan and is getting his panties in a knot over it. But go ahead, tell us all about how trying to stop children from starving is just intentionally poking Trump in order to distract us from the fact that we haven’t renegotiated CUSMA yet. Also, WTF? The Japanese and EU deals are _worse_ than the deal we already have with the US. Outside of steel, aluminum, and cars (which are admittedly a very large exception) CUSMA-compliant exports still have zero tariffs. How on earth are you holding up a 15% tariff deal as something to aspire to when it’s worse than what’s already in place? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/113 "2025-08-06T02:03:23Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Maybe, just maybe, the stuff about Palestine is _actually about_ Palestine And, you know, us being an actual sovereign nation, that shouldn’t have to beg Trump for permission to have an opinion. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/114 "2025-08-06T04:59:34Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Maybe, just maybe, the stuff about Palestine is _actually about_ Palestine, where mass starvation is occurring and several countries of which Canada is just one are threatening to recognize Palestine in order to place pressure on Israel to stop starving Palestinian children already. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the US outside the fact that Trump is a Bibi fan and is getting his panties in a knot over it. Exactly. Canada is actually standing on principle here (although after having initially fully supported Israel but hey, it seemed like the thing to do at the time) rather than catering to the whims of Donald Trump who can find a reason to get mad at you if you say the sky is blue. If it wasn’t Gaza it would be softwood lumber or dairy or smoke from the wildfires or fentanyl or something. Trump doesn’t need an excuse to get mad at Canada. Carney knows the wisest course of action is to wait for Trump to die so cooler heads can prevail. And he hasn’t yet been caught on a hot mic shit-talking Trump, which was the thing that ruined Trudeau’s relationship with Trump. At some point Trump will probably decide he doesn’t like Carney anyway, the same way he sours on everyone. But in the meantime, Carney has a country to run. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/115 "2025-08-06T07:54:07Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > It must be my hyper-partisan hate that blinds me. Clearly. > > Or, it’s not about Palestine, like its not about fentanyl. Its not Carney either. Its Trump. Trump is why we are having difficulties getting a deal. Trump is not consistent nor reliable in anything he does. Everything he says is a lie. He has pure malice towards us. > > Or I’m blind. Just blind. I’m just glad that at least there’s CUSMA. For now. He can’t back out of that without shooting h8mself in the foot, since HE negotiated it. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/116 "2025-08-06T09:48:27Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > What purpose is there to piss off Trump by recognizing the Palestinians at the same time important negotiations are under way that affects the lively hood of tens of thousands of Canadians? Calling out the tragedy in Gaza and recognizing the rights of Palestinians is appropriate because it’s the right thing to do, and it’s the right of a sovereign nation (that is not the 51st state) to do it. And, incidentally, Canadians don’t have hoods, lively or otherwise. We do have livelihoods, though, as in, a means of earning a living. The word originates from well before the 17th century, a variant of _livelode_ – “means of keeping alive” (c. 1300), which is from Old English _liflad_ “course of life,” from _lif_ “life”. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/117 "2025-08-06T09:53:44Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > Read the room. Even if you think you are brilliantly right (like a master debater), Canadians are so sick and tired of Trump’s shit that we have been poisoned and sicken by anything to do with him. That is just where we are at. Canadians think Trump sucks. Putin, that is. And Carney ain’t gonna be any part of that. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/118 "2025-08-06T10:14:19Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > Or, it’s not about Palestine, like its not about fentanyl. Its not Carney either. Its Trump. Trump is why we are having difficulties getting a deal. Trump is not consistent nor reliable in anything he does. Everything he says is a lie. He has pure malice towards us. Trump is an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. By the way, thanks, William Shakespeare, for the quote! I’m a lot less worried about Trump’s “51 State” nonsense now. This guy cannot plan his way out of a paper bag, much less plan how to take over the second-largest country on the planet. We may have our own internal differences, but on one thing we can all agree: Canada hates Trump, and we do not want to be American, and we will never be American. That might surprise some Americans, who have been raised on “Everybody in the world wishes they were American, and Canadians should be pleased to join the Union,” but that’s not what Canadians want. We like our independence, our seat at the UN, our … well, independence. Why the hell do Americans think we would want to join the US? Under those circumstances, Carney is doing just fine. He’s caused Trump to think, something Trudeau could never achieve. Trump could, and did, push Justin Trudeau around with threats, but he cannot do the same with Carney. Carney is too smart. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/119 "2025-08-06T10:49:58Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > He can’t back out of that without shooting h8mself in the foot, since HE negotiated it. This being the same guy who said he couldn’t believe that Biden appointed Jerome Powell, when Trump’s the one who did it? ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-s-carney-doing-canada/1017850/120 "2025-08-06T12:01:08Z")
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