# How serious are the latest allegations against Hilary? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 29, 2016, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011 "2016-10-29T14:23:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011/1 "2016-10-29T14:23:37Z")
I personally don’t give a flying fuck about Hilary Clinton’s email server. But Trumpeters on facebook are gloating that the latest FBI probe will cost her the election. Then today I learned that [her lead is shrinking](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hillary-clinton-lead-donald-trump-continues-shrink-article-1.2850111). Is this as bad as certain people are making is sound or much ado about nothing?? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011/2 "2016-10-29T14:38:52Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > I personally don’t give a flying fuck about Hilary Clinton’s email server. But Trumpeters on facebook are gloating that the latest FBI probe will cost her the election. Then today I learned that [her lead is shrinking](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hillary-clinton-lead-donald-trump-continues-shrink-article-1.2850111). > > Is this as bad as certain people are making is sound or much ado about nothing?? Sorry, can’t help you out here. From what I’ve seen so far, there are no ‘allegations’. That is to say, I’ve not seen a single word of coverage that identifies new evidence of a specific illegal act being committed by Mrs. Clinton. Is it serious? Yes, probably more than it should be, due to a general tendency of some people to not read anything after the shrieking headline. That, and wishful thinking by Trumpites who apparently find the whole electoral process an inconvenience. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011/3 "2016-10-29T15:36:08Z")
No polls you are seeing today are going to reflect the response people have to this news. You’ll need to wait a few days for that. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011/4 "2016-10-29T15:56:37Z")
Legally? Probably nothing new. Polling? Probably will hurt Hillary. Election results? Probably won’t cost Hillary the election. [These insightful insights were brought to you by Folgers, Meijer donuts and four hours sleep] ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011/5 "2016-10-29T16:38:48Z")
If the one rumour is true, that these are longer emails that Huma had on her computer to print out, then this will almost assuredly be nothing. But yeah at this point there is no specific accusations. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011/6 "2016-10-29T16:41:33Z")
As others have said, it’s much ado about nothing. The new emails aren’t from her, and there is no indication of any wrongdoing, but the FBI felt like they had to be thorough in their investigation. In terms of polling, it might have an affect but only a very small one. She led in polling the whole time her emails were being investigated the first time. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011/7 "2016-10-29T17:01:39Z")
The latest allegations are the same ones from before, except to allege there is now more evidence. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011/8 "2016-10-29T17:02:54Z")
Allegedly. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011/9 "2016-10-29T17:18:50Z")
MHO: It’s a distraction tactic. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011/10 "2016-10-29T17:22:55Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > I personally don’t give a flying fuck about Hilary Clinton’s email server. But Trumpeters on facebook are gloating that the latest FBI probe will cost her the election. Then today I learned that [her lead is shrinking](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hillary-clinton-lead-donald-trump-continues-shrink-article-1.2850111). > > Is this as bad as certain people are making is sound or much ado about nothing?? Did I miss something; there is mindless speculation but there are no formal allegations? ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011/11 "2016-10-29T17:26:24Z")
The very topic they are going after makes it unlikely there is anything there - What would Anthony Wiener have to do with State Department business? He’s a former Rep, but didn’t have State Department responsibilities to my knowledge. His wife - Clinton’s friend and long time staffer - simply had the bad fortune to marry the POS with the unfortunate name and matching hobby activity, and forgive him more than once to have him publicly transgress repeatedly. The whole thing reads like it was cooked up to be a clickbait headline that doesn’t pass the skeptic meter. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011/12 "2016-10-29T17:32:18Z")
But … but … any of these emails could be — _could be_ — **the** smoking email. The one that, if you print it using special toner and a golden drum, and hold it up to a moon at the same phase and time of the year as the original was keyed into the system, will reveal Crooked Hillary Clinton’s plan to deliver the USA to ISIS. I mean it _could_ happen. Better Lock Her Up™ and give the election to Trump, just to be on the safe side. In other words, headlines notwithstanding, very little smoke and almost certainly no fire. ---
**Author:** ![ganthet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de0a6/32.png) [@ganthet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ganthet)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011/13 "2016-10-29T17:33:54Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > The very topic they are going after makes it unlikely there is anything there - What would Anthony Wiener have to do with State Department business? He’s a former Rep, but didn’t have State Department responsibilities to my knowledge. The computer being examined was apparently shared between Huma and Weiner. Based on the limited info so far, the new emails are ones that Huma sent to Hillary and not necessarily emails Hillary sent to her. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011/14 "2016-10-29T17:34:51Z")
Republicans will be investigating Hillary for the next four years. May as well get used to it. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011/15 "2016-10-29T17:37:25Z")
Yep. [Chaffetz is the new Issa.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-republicans-are-already-preparing-for-years-of-investigations-of-clinton/2016/10/26/e153a714-9ac3-11e6-9980-50913d68eacb_story.html) > [@](#): > > “It’s a target-rich environment,” the Republican said in an interview in Salt Lake City’s suburbs. “Even before we get to Day One, we’ve got two years’ worth of material already lined up. She has four years of history at the State Department, and it ain’t good.” And, > [@](#): > > While the Select Committee on Benghazi appears to have finished its work, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), a committee member who says Clinton might have perjured herself on questions about her email, said recently that he wants the committee to continue. ---
**Author:** ![GulfTiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e79b87/32.png) [@GulfTiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GulfTiger)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011/16 "2016-10-29T17:38:56Z")
That’s what happens when you nominate crooked people like her. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011/17 "2016-10-29T17:42:21Z")
My WAG: Comey, liking the limelight more than your average G-Man and liking money possibly more than your average American man, has this thought process: 1. Endear myself to the right-wing by dropping a deuce on this election 11 days out; 2. Quit this lame government job and get a gig as a right-wing talking head and tell-all writer; 3. Profit! Maybe he just has no desire to work for/with either of these candidates, likes hearing himself talk, and wants to find some cushy job and make lots of money. And there’s my WAG. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011/18 "2016-10-29T17:42:55Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > That’s what happens when you nominate crooked people like her. Or elect gormless dipshits to Congress. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011/19 "2016-10-29T17:43:51Z")
And Trump can not help but lie instead of letting Clinton be inconvenienced a little bit. [https://thinkprogress.org/trump-emails-watergate-1c4fca567e2b#.p8t6or8by](https://thinkprogress.org/trump-emails-watergate-1c4fca567e2b#.p8t6or8by) > [@](#): > > Much is still not known about the emails. But media outlets reported that they may be simply duplicates of ones the FBI has already reviewed, while the Los Angeles Times reports that they weren’t even addressed to or from Clinton. The FBI now has to reportedly get court permission to look through the emails to determine whether they are relevant and, if so, if they show any mishandling of classified information while Clinton was Secretary of State. > > At the same rally on Friday, Trump claimed that the FBI is “reopening the case into [Clinton’s] criminal and illegal conduct that threatens the security of the United States of America.” > > Nothing in that sentence is true. Comey’s letter said nothing about reopening the case, as it had never been officially closed. Instead, emails are being reviewed to determine whether they are relevant to the investigation. > > Meanwhile, in July, Comey announced that he would recommend against criminal charges for Clinton because “no reasonable prosecutor” could determine that they are warranted. To have brought them, Comey would have needed evidence that Clinton knowingly mishandled classified emails or acted in gross negligence and bad faith with information that could have harmed the country. That would be true of the new emails as well: to change Comey’s decision, they would have to prove that Clinton knew she was violating laws about classified emails. What I can conclude is that the message from Comey would had been left just there with the congressmen, but like Trump the Republicans of today do not care if Comey is misunderstood as he even clarified. Even in his clarification Comey makes the point that these new emals are a supplement to the investigation. And that should had been enough, but I do think that Comey needed to have more emphasis on this being a supplement to an investigation that already considered Clinton as having no need to be even indicted. However, Comey did allow the Republicans to make a mountain out of a mole hill. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011/20 "2016-10-29T17:51:18Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > I personally don’t give a flying fuck about Hilary Clinton’s email server. But Trumpeters on facebook are gloating that the latest FBI probe will cost her the election. Then today I learned that [her lead is shrinking](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hillary-clinton-lead-donald-trump-continues-shrink-article-1.2850111). > > Is this as bad as certain people are making is sound or much ado about nothing?? As already mentioned, there aren’t any polls out that would show any “hit” on her numbers from this revelation. Nate Silver was on one of the cable news shows and he made the point it would be Wednesday, Tuesday at the earliest, before any poll results would show what impact this may have. I would also suggest not getting worked up about a single poll. Check out websites doing an average of polls such as [Real Clear Politics](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/), Silver’s [538](http://fivethirtyeight.com/) or [Sam Wang’s work](http://election.princeton.edu/) at Princeton to get a better idea of how the race stands. Individual polls tend to have quite a bit of variation one to the next. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-serious-are-the-latest-allegations-against-hilary/770011.md?page=2)