No, there isn’t. That’s the lie the currently-successful people with some talent want you to think. Talent is not a scarce resource.
You don’t have it straight, at all.
I am NOT belittling rape. I don’t even know how you get that. That’s insulting. I am against all rapists, including Kobe, who I said seems to be getting a pass (at least at the time I wrote that - I haven’t been back to that thread, for the reasons that contributed to this warning.).
It is NOT trolling. I said how I think Cosby would (OK, not 'should" I misread that) be remembered. As noted, how is Wagner remembered? Cosby had both funny stuff and did a lot of good. He also did a lot of bad.
History is a fickle mistress, and how this board is treating the death of Kobe has a bit of evidence how history could treat Cosby in the decades to come. If Kobe can be forgiven, if Polanski can be excused, then why not Cosby? I don’t want that - I’m saying it could happen.
Some celebrities getting a pass while others are dumped into the trash bugs me.
I think this warning is incorrect.
I was just trying to pick something that would cause a level of torment close to the reality of what Cosby did. I had heard that food poisoning and a broken jaw are the two most painful disease/injury human beings have experienced.
But if you have a better metaphor, I’d like to know what it is.
Note that Cosby said, “We had never seen the belt, but we had heard about it. The belt was nine feet long, eight feet wide, and it had hooks on it, and it would rip the meat off your body if it ever hit you.” Which indicates that his father had never employed it, but was bluffing to get their attention.
Yes, one of my memes is “Talent is vastly over-rated.” Everyone has several talents that could had made them famous, if they’d had the breaks and tenacity of the people that make it.
One question that hasn’t been brought up: How IS Michael Jackson remembered? As a talented pop singer and dancer, a pedophile or someone who stupidly died too young of a drug overdose?
I remember Jackson mostly as a thoroughly messed up pedophile. But I never liked his music anyway. I dislike the worship that he got despite being a pedophile.
Cosby should be remembered first as a serial rapist and second for being a great comic and third as a ground breaking television star. (I like I Spy, didn’t like the Cosby Show but both were groundbreaking)
Right. You have a right to your own opinions, but not your own facts. Cosby is in jail for rape. You can believe he’s innocent, but you cannot deny he was found guilty. And I believe OJ Simpson is a double murderer who got off in the criminal trial but was found GUILTY in the civil trial.
ETA: I am a huge Andrew Lloyd Webber fan. You can tell me his songs are horrible, but you cannot deny he’s a phenomenally successful theatre song writer.
Maybe you should re-consider your method of communicating your ideas. Looking back through your posts, it’s not at all clear what you’re trying to say.
We’re actually individual people here. Putting your thoughts in these terms is confusing when we as individuals can’t recall having done any of these things. Maybe you could have been more explicit from the beginning.
Are these actually quotes from threads on this board? If so, links would have been nice. Actually, knowing the sources of these quotes would be useful.
You could, I dunno, say that what Cosby did was rape.
Just Asking Questions, if you wish to dispute your warning in public, the place for that is ATMB, not here.
All while taking the moral high ground over other people, especially and openly with young black comedians like Eddie Murphy and others. Eddie Murphy, at least to me, was one of the few people that never bowed to Bill Cosby and saw through his whole persona.
It’s incredible that it took that routine from Hannibal Buress(another comedian he criticized) to openly discuss the widely known “open secret” that Bill Cosby had a history of abuse.
The ripple effect of his abuse goes on and on. Geoffrey Owens, who played Alvin on the Cosby Show, had lived off the residuals from the Cosby Show while he looked for other acting jobs. The show is not as widely syndicated as it was and he lost a ton of very important income.
I could never watch a Cosby comedy act again and my kids are not growing up watching the Cosby Show.
The face of hypocrisy.
In addition to the two main viewpoints presented above (groundbreaking comedian and disgusting serial rapist) I would have to add: the guy who punched out Tommy Smothers in the Playboy Mansion.
OK, please expand, this is new to me.
Nobody is saying the one rape is okay. It’s obviously not. But it was asked (by you or someone else, I’m not sure) why people aren’t commenting so much on Kobe’s actions, yet they are on Cosby’s. It’s because Cosby was more universally known, had more victims, and was actually convicted. That does not make what Kobe did okay. But one of those instances is going to be FAR more prevalent to most people, and it’s really isn’t a mystery as to why.
They had very different political views. From here:
He was found liable in the civil trial, not guilty.
How about as a malevolent, high-functioning, psychopathic rapist who worked in the entertainment industry?
You probably don’t want to look too closely at any artist/entertainer you enjoy. Most will disappoint and many may cause disgust. How they are evaluated in such bad light is a matter of proportion. Yes, Wagner was a raging anti-Semite; however, as far as I know he did not physically abuse any Jews. If Cosby was just a sexist heel, his comedy would probably, still, eclipse his faults. Cosby’s problems appear to run far deeper than un-checked lust or a misogynistic streak. He seems to relish controlling, abusing and humiliating vulnerable women who trust him enough to come in close orbit. That, I feel, overshadows all of his other accomplishments.
There was more than one Bill Cosby. Sure, there was comedian Cosby and rapey Cosby, but there was also bathtub Cosby, curiosity Cosby, data analysis Cosby, and the list goes on…