# How should the Pit be changed, if at all? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [July 19, 2021, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859 "2021-07-19T23:19:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/81 "2021-07-21T03:14:08Z")
I have to admit that I almost never report this kind of stuff. My fault I guess, but I’m sensitive to the mods being volunteers, and don’t like to add to the workload. So it is really my own fault, and not yours. ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/82 "2021-07-21T03:18:57Z")
What I would again urge people to consider is that the fact that a thread is “in the Pit” has no inherent meaning. It means only what you choose to assign to it. Take a step back and look at it from the perspective of someone who has not been here for 20 years. “Oh, there’s threads on this board where all the normal rules don’t apply and people just scream at each other? And not even over particularly egregious offenses most of the time, there’s just … running meta-threads where people post “fuck this guy” like clockwork every time certain people post in OTHER threads?” Why should people who don’t already agree with you about the totally artificial construct of “this thread is in the Pit so everything you would think if it was in a different subforum doesn’t apply, because I say so” not react to this the way a rational person would? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/83 "2021-07-21T08:27:30Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > What’s the actually-a-troll to not-actually-a-troll ratio that would make that purpose constructive? You might catch a handful of trolls (who would have eventually been caught anyway), but you’ve unfairly attacked at least that many innocent new posters, some of whom say Fuck this place and leave. > > It’s not worth the cost. What’s the evidence for the vast numbers of innocent newbies being driven away by the Pit? > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > It’s not your call. Not alone, not in a group. Present your case to the mods. And yet the mods themselves find it useful. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Cite? Here’s a cite from today: > [@Most common reason to be Pitted Appears to be Dishonesty?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-common-reason-to-be-pitted-appears-to-be-dishonesty/946422/322): > > The Trolls R Us Thread occasionally picks out socks before we notice them. They often provide links to the actual thread where the trolling is happening. > [@DrDeth](#): > > And even so it is over 4000 posts long, even a blind squirrel can find a nut once in a a while. “It doesn’t work, and when it does work it doesn’t count.” Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/84 "2021-07-21T08:58:08Z")
Along with [gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/75), [ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/70) and [Delayed\_Reflex](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/66) in this thread, who haven’t been Pit and want the Pit eliminated or changed, there are several more in the other threads. From just a cursory glance at the other threads, there’s also [kevlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-the-sdmb-membership-declining-and-whats-the-best-way-to-add-younger-members/944208/426), [codinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-the-sdmb-membership-declining-and-whats-the-best-way-to-add-younger-members/944208/484), mod [RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-the-sdmb-membership-declining-and-whats-the-best-way-to-add-younger-members/944208/242). and [GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revisiting-the-bbq-pit-boon-or-bane/944413/96) that I don’t think have been Pit and want the Pit to be eliminated or changed. I’m hoping not to have to see that argument that people who want the Pit gone are only those people who have been Pit repeatedly. It’s just another example of how quick some people are to vilify people who are against the Pit. Back to the OP, I like the idea of the thread and the poll, but I think the poll results _may_ be skewed. Just from my observation, many people who post in the Pit also post in ATMB. I’m not sure if that’s so true about people who post in say, IMHO. There’s a poll in IMHO where almost half the people say that they don’t post in the Pit or frequent it rarely. I often see the same names in ATMB that I see in the Pit, but I see people who frequent IMHO posting in ATMB less often. Without public polls, it’s hard to tell how much the overlap is. Of the almost half of the people who either don’t post in the Pit or post rarely that voted in the IMHO survey, they might be more inclined to get rid of the Pit than the people who post in ATMB regularly. > [@How often do you post in the BBQPit?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-often-do-you-post-in-the-bbqpit/946169): > > Anyone curious about how much emphasis their time here is centered on the pit? Check your stats in your profile summary. Scroll down to see your top six categories where you post the most. [poll](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-often-do-you-post-in-the-bbqpit/946169/1) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/85 "2021-07-21T09:11:30Z")
“Everyone I asked gave me an answer I didn’t like, so let’s imagine that there’s some big nebulous group of invisible people who totally support me” ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/86 "2021-07-21T10:20:11Z")
Heh, exactly. ---
**Author:** ![saje](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saje/32/3631_2.png) [@saje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saje)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/87 "2021-07-21T10:52:28Z")
One of the good thing about this board platform is that you can hide forums you don’t want to see, (at least you can if you use the Latest sorting filter at the top of the page.) I’ve hidden the forums I don’t care much about, those posts never show up. If I’m bored or curious about a reference to something said I can still go read, but my preferred feed isn’t filled with Games or Debate posts that I have no interest in. I like the Pit. I don’t read everything, I skip the most vitriolic stuff, I occasionally hide individual topics. But I think being able to pretty much say whatever you want in one place is no bad thing. It’s all easy enough to pass over if it’s not your cuppa. ---
**Author:** ![Turble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Turble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turble)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/88 "2021-07-21T14:17:12Z")
I never look at the Pit. I would prefer that the whiney name-calling bullshit not appear on the front page. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/89 "2021-07-21T14:28:11Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > What you do get are people who are extremely irritated with certain posters, and want to be able to tell them to knock it off. And the other posters aren’t usually just innocently going along. They’re being bigoted, arguing disingenuously, being hateful (but technically in the rules). > > Sure, in real life you don’t respond to your wife or friends like people do in the Pit. But, in real life, your friends and wife don’t do those sorts of things in general. And, when they do, you can usually tell them to knock if off and they will. And, if not, you no longer interact with them. In real life it’s easier to see that most people in fact _are_ just ‘innocently going along’. And it’s easier to remember it’s a real person with feelings you are making horrible accusations against and trying to hurt. I looked at some Pit threads, and many seem an awful lot like school bullying. School bullies also think they are justified in being cruel to those who don’t fit in with the clique. I even see the same pattern of speculating about people’s mental health. > [@BigT](#): > > Which reminds me: I’ve not seen the Pit leak. There were some problems with hostility outside the Pit, but a whole of that has been fixed. The mods are much more on top of it, and we’ve instituted rules that get rid of a lot of it, like the GD rules or the misogyny and trans rules. If the issue was the Pit leaking, then that wouldn’t help. It leaks in the sense that after you have spent time saying hateful things to another poster, and had them saying hateful things to you, you don’t exactly approach them in new threads with an open and constructive attitude. 😏 And the debate forums are often full of pointless, snarky comments that contribute nothing to the discussion, so the Pit clearly isn’t doing the job of confining it to one place. Some people think the Pit is useful for driving away posters they dislike, but who is it really driving away? Assholes enjoy attacking other people. It drives away people who disagree with the majority and might make interesting contributions, but don’t want to wade through a sewer to do it. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/90 "2021-07-21T16:01:28Z")
Yes, _socks_. Not _trolls_. And that is just because those were not reported. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/91 "2021-07-21T16:11:21Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yes, _socks_ . Not _trolls_ . Did you make it to the second sentence? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/92 "2021-07-21T16:13:54Z")
Yes, and so? That just says “They often provide links to the actual thread where the trolling is happening.” Now, wouldn’t reporting the troll do exactly that? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/93 "2021-07-21T16:15:07Z")
So when you said “Not trolls”, you meant “trolls”? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/94 "2021-07-21T16:37:53Z")
Nope, the Pit didn’t help ID any trolls at all. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/95 "2021-07-21T16:40:19Z")
As long as you don’t call the people trolling “trolls”, it didn’t help ID any trolls. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/96 "2021-07-21T16:44:19Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > > > What’s the actually-a-troll to not-actually-a-troll ratio that would make that purpose constructive? You might catch a handful of trolls (who would have eventually been caught anyway), but you’ve unfairly attacked at least that many innocent new posters, some of whom say Fuck this place and leave. > > > > It’s not worth the cost. > > What’s the evidence for the vast numbers of innocent newbies being driven away by the Pit? One, I wasn’t talking about the Pit, but about the troll-hunter threads. Two, here are a few (old data, and the links no longer work): > **List** > > 1 [RavenSong](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 12/21/2018 Named a troll on 12/21/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21390911&postcount=8961) Last post on 12/21/2018 (Seemed not to understand the purpose of SDMB) > 2 [Benjarmyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 2/20/2019 Named a troll on 2/20/2019 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21497862&postcount=9289) Last post on 2/20/2019 (Banned for a coincidental name, then reinstated) > 3 [MortSahlFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 11/6/2018 Named a troll on 12/22/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21392073&postcount=8964) Last post on 3/29/2019 (Supposedly, a Russian bot) > 4 [Frank Burly](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 11/11/2018 Named a troll on 11/19/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21332285&postcount=8855) Last post on 1/19/2019 (No idea why) > 5 [Dacien](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 11/26/2018 Named a troll on 11/26/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21344067&postcount=8874) Last post on 3/28/2018 (“Oddly up to speed,” evidently) > 6 [EscAlaMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 7/16/2018 Named a troll on 9/11/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21202200&postcount=8722) Last post on 2/15/2019 (Held opinions that somebody didn’t agree with) > 7 [dredwick](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 9/14/2018 Named a troll on 9/14/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21207235&postcount=8739) Last post on 9/14/2018 (Seemed to have had “attitude”) > 8 [sanusense](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 10/3/2018 Named a troll on 10/4/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21248352&postcount=8782) Last post on 10/3/2018 (Name sounds a little like “nuisance”) > 9 [Grandma72](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 8/27/2018 Named a troll on 8/27/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21173195&postcount=8670) Last post on 8/27/2018 (Gastric distress after eating teriyaki.) > 10 [fschwartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 4/19/2002 Named a troll on 9/3/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21184135&postcount=8685) Last post on 9/3/2018 (Not a newbie, but a long-lost member. Last post was in the Omnibus thread) > 11 [Mumberthax](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 8/25/2018 Named a troll on 9/3/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21184449&postcount=8692) Last post on 11/16/2018 (Looked like a sock to somebody) > 12 [Alfishius](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 3/28/2016 Named a troll on 8/24/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21166809&postcount=8634) Last post on 2/15/2019 (Has a “weird posting pattern.” Not a newbie, exactly, but doesn’t post much.) > 13 [MosaicTruths](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 7/20/2018 Named a troll on 7/20/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21098718&postcount=8489) Last post on 7/20/2018 (Wanted homework help) > 14 [ohiomstr2](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 6/13/2018 Named a troll on 6/13/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21020854&postcount=8194) Last post on 3/17/2019 (Newbie who didn’t understand the board) > 15 [AuldWolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 6/10/2018 Named a troll on 6/10/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21012909&postcount=8138) Last post on 6/10/2018 (Had an opinion on a movie) > 16 [Boacrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 5/29/2018 Named a troll on 5/31/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20992618&postcount=8044) Last post on 5/31/2018 (Had an opinion and used the Pit as the Pit) > 17 [Ruined](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 5/15/2018 Named a troll on 5/16/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20962885&postcount=7918) Last post on 5/16/2018 (Had opinions others didn’t like) > 18 [LA Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 3/4/2018 Named a troll on 4/14/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20903304&postcount=7689) Last post on 3/29/2019 (Trump supporter) > 19 [nexopia](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 4/21/2018 Named a troll on 4/25/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20922787&postcount=7723) Last post on 4/29/2018 (Wondered if SDMB is mostly Boomers) > 20 [Delicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 5/5/2017 Named a troll on 4/28/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20929576&postcount=7741) Last post on 8/10/2018 (Made a joke) > 21 [crosspairnatural](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 4/7/2018 Named a troll on 4/8/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20891820&postcount=7661) Last post on 4/7/2018 (Asked a personal question) > 22 [Berty](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 4/8/2018 Named a troll on 4/8/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20891820&postcount=7661) Last post on 4/7/2018 (Asked a personal question) > 23 [Analog-Aptitude](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 4/18/2018 Named a troll on 4/19/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20912441&postcount=7694) Last post on 4/18/2018 (Simply a new poster) > 24 [lil\_sapiosexual](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 4/2/2018 Named a troll on 4/2/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20880926&postcount=7616) Last post on 4/2/2018 (Posted an opinion without using capital letters) > 25 [A Odom](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 3/24/2018 Named a troll on 3/25/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20866086&postcount=7571) Last post on 3/26/2018 (Evidently could not prove the resurrection in two days of posting) > 26 [Davidngrk](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 3/27/2018 Named a troll on 3/27/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20870272&postcount=7587) Last post on 4/4/2018 (Addicted to escorts) > [@Gyrate](#): > > > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > > > It’s not your call. Not alone, not in a group. Present your case to the mods. > > And yet the mods themselves find it useful. No more useful than reports would be: > [@Most common reason to be Pitted Appears to be Dishonesty?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-common-reason-to-be-pitted-appears-to-be-dishonesty/946422/323): > > Note that reporting potential trolls does much the same as the latter, and can also be extremely helpful to the mods. It’s generally preferable, as it doesn’t “poison the well” for other posters. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/97 "2021-07-21T16:49:57Z")
Sadly your links appear to be broken. But seems like a fair summation. Reporting Trolls with details is useful. You wouldn’t believe the number of fairly useless flags we get that pretty much just say, “They’re Trolling”. or even “Troll!!!” But a Flag that says “Hey this new guy sure sounds like banned poster So\_and\_So.” or we’ve had ones show up in the troll thread where they found a nearly identical Op from years earlier and a “different” poster. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/98 "2021-07-21T16:51:43Z")
And how many people who WERE NOT named trolls ALSO left after just 1 post? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/99 "2021-07-21T16:53:00Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Sadly your links appear to be broken. But seems like a fair summation. [At least one had been suspended for trolling and a couple other warnings.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lazombie-has-been-suspended/836250) ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859/100 "2021-07-21T16:56:32Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > 3 [MortSahlFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) Joined 11/6/2018 Named a troll on 12/22/2018 [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21392073&postcount=8964) Last post on 3/29/2019 (Supposedly, a Russian bot) Your list has an error. @MortSaulFan posted recently. **Cite** > [@Real music died in the 1970s](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/real-music-died-in-the-1970s/944199/349): > > The only early 80s stuff I like were bands from the 60/70s, but yeah, it pretty much died after 1979… I think Pink Floyd’s “The Wall” was the last great album. I still listen to Pink Floyd, The Doors, Supertramp (Breakfast In America was another great from 1979), Led Zeppelin, The Who, Steely Dan, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, David Bowie, ELO, Black Sabbath, America, Curved Air, Eagles, Fleetwood Mac (especially Green/Kirwan lineup), Illusion, Neil Young, Nino Ferrer, Catherine Howe, etc. P… I ask, therefore, that you retract your claim. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-should-the-pit-be-changed-if-at-all/946859.md?page=6)