# How soon until the Tsarnaev brothers were framed conspiracy theory takes root? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 20, 2013, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215 "2013-04-20T13:27:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215/1 "2013-04-20T13:27:37Z")
While all of us are innocent until proved guilty in a court of law, in the court of public opinion, it appears that the Tsarnaev brothers are fairly guilty. “Fairly” meaning we still have to wait for more of the facts to come out to be 100% sure. I’d be flabbergasted to see any evidence that they aren’t guilty as sin. But the Aunt and Uncle are both claiming that these men were framed. So my question is this. Will bombings + terrorism + claims of framing foster any enduring or substantive conspiracy theory? I know there are 35 year old men in mom’s basement as we speak typing away on that. But will it have legs? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215/2 "2013-04-20T13:36:54Z")
A video claiming the whole bombing is a govt set up has already been floating around. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215/3 "2013-04-20T13:40:03Z")
Well, there’s already been the Nick Vogt thing. And the “crisis actors” idiocy. And then there’s that [Alex Jones](http://www.salon.com/2013/04/19/alex_jones_is_phoning_it_in/) asshole (link to Salon article, not to his site). I’m sure it won’t be long before some idiot stitches all that together along with some other crap into a feeble story, if they’ve not done so already. But hey, they’re just, like, asking questions! ---
**Author:** ![Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Speaker_for_the_Dead)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215/4 "2013-04-20T13:41:35Z")
I thought it was the parents saying that they were framed. Wasn’t the uncle the one who called them losers? ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215/5 "2013-04-20T13:44:11Z")
Once a complete analysis is done of every word that the major media talking heads spoke, contrasted against a collection of “anonymous source” leaks and official press releases, there will be enough “evidence” to construct a plausible CT. Today’s media is more concerned about scooping their competition instead of reporting the news. The mistakes that follow only fuel the CT retards out there. ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215/6 "2013-04-20T13:46:13Z")
> [@Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](#): > > I thought it was the parents saying that they were framed. Wasn’t the uncle the one who called them losers? Other aunts and uncles are claiming they were framed as well. CNN is reporting that the FBI questioned the older brother a few years ago and knew that he was running with a bad crowd. More fuel to the CT fire. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215/7 "2013-04-20T14:02:14Z")
Among some Chechen nationalist circles back in the Caucasus it’s probably already a default article of faith. ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215/8 "2013-04-20T14:03:20Z")
Didn’t one uncle say that one of the brothers called him to say he was sorry for what had happened? And didn’t the brothers claim responsibility to the guy whose car they carjacked? So, preemptively, I say to all you conspiracy theorists out there a hearty “Fuck you, case closed”. ---
**Author:** ![Alex\_from\_CB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/278dde/32.png) [@Alex\_from\_CB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alex_from_CB)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215/9 "2013-04-20T17:03:03Z")
Right wing Republic Party member, Glenn Beck has …warned… The Obama Administration that he’s going public on Monday, April 22nd with the facts about the real perp, a Saudi man who the Obama Administration whisked back to Saudi Arabia in order to conceal his acts. Said he doesn’t make idol threats, either. Really. Honest. Does that count as a conspiracy theory? ---
**Author:** ![Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Speaker_for_the_Dead)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215/10 "2013-04-20T17:27:09Z")
[Right here, it looks like the answer is “not long.”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=688651) ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215/11 "2013-04-20T17:55:53Z")
People already believed the government was going to plant bombs and frame innocent victions before it happened. In the CT world everything is a government conspiracy. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215/12 "2013-04-20T18:02:23Z")
> [@Alex\_from\_CB](#): > > Right wing Republic Party member, Glenn Beck has …warned… The Obama Administration that he’s going public on Monday, April 22nd with the facts about the real perp, a Saudi man who the Obama Administration whisked back to Saudi Arabia in order to conceal his acts. > > Said he doesn’t make idol threats, either. Really. Honest. > > Does that count as a conspiracy theory? Well, I’m glad he hasn’t made any threats to Golden Calves lately. I feel safer already! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![esmeralda2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ccd318/32.png) [@esmeralda2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/esmeralda2)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215/13 "2013-04-20T18:17:48Z")
Here, on Russion TV the mother saying her boys were framed. [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT0PrODVDbQ) Looks like the Russians are believing the whole thing was a set up by the FBI. RT is a 24/7 English language TV station from Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215/14 "2013-04-20T20:05:08Z")
There were tweets calling the whole thing fake within maybe an hour of the bombing. This stuff unfolds in real time now. It’s not about flaws in the evidence or unanswered questions, it’s just the reaction of arrogant paranoid assholes. It’s really not worth the time to argue about. I’ve seen other people discussing the history of Russia and Chechnya and why Chechens might be suspicious, and in context perhaps I could understand that. But it wasn’t until Friday that anyone was saying in public that this had anything to do with Chechnya, and the usual Loose Screw idiots had been on the job for days by then. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215/15 "2013-04-20T20:09:26Z")
Wait, you mean it WASN’T right-wing loonies? I’d seen so much about it here that I just assumed that they were. Maybe they were part of the Chechen branch of the Tea Party (motto: “Give me liberty or give me vodka!”). Yeah, that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215/16 "2013-04-20T20:28:02Z")
It was a pretty sophisticated setup to get them to lob bombs at the police. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215/17 "2013-04-20T20:32:40Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It was a pretty sophisticated setup to get them to lob bombs at the police. Do you mean their arms were sophisticated somehow? Because basically they lit them and threw them. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215/18 "2013-04-20T20:56:49Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Do you mean their arms were sophisticated somehow? Because basically they lit them and threw them. I think he’s saying that if they were framed, it must have been quite a plan to get them to hurl bombs at the cops. ---
**Author:** ![Carryon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc29f/32.png) [@Carryon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carryon)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215/19 "2013-04-20T20:56:52Z")
Well their is framed and “framed.” By this I mean, framed by who? It would not surprise me at all to find out these two were used by other people to carry out the actions. In other words they were the bunny in someone else’s game plan. Some radical group found two gullible brothers and expected them to get blown up carrying out the attack or get gunned down. I’m not saying that happened but it wouldn’t surprise me to find out they were pawns. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215/20 "2013-04-20T21:00:39Z")
> [@Carryon](#): > > Well their is framed and “framed.” By this I mean, framed by who? It would not surprise me at all to find out these two were used by other people to carry out the actions. > > In other words they were the bunny in someone else’s game plan. Some radical group found two gullible brothers and expected them to get blown up carrying out the attack or get gunned down. > > I’m not saying that happened but it wouldn’t surprise me to find out they were pawns. No, there’s only being framed. Your scenario isn’t a case of being framed. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-soon-until-the-tsarnaev-brothers-were-framed-conspiracy-theory-takes-root/656215.md?page=2)