We haven’t been doing training exercises because we’re over-budget. \*\*
If you were sticking to your budget, it’d be impossible to be over-budget.
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### Author:  [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2003, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-bush-military-cares-for-injured-reservists/208276/22 "2003-10-19T14:25:07Z")
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> \*Originally posted by spooje \*
> \*\*I think it’s pretty clear that **Reeder** means it’s Bush. \*\*
Seems pretty clear to me he was responding to those accusing him of accusing Bush. Please show me where in the OP he makes any reference to the Pres and I’ll shut up.
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### Author:  [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2003, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-bush-military-cares-for-injured-reservists/208276/23 "2003-10-19T14:29:47Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Chefguy \*
> \*\*Whoa! Hold on a second here. I see no mention of Bush in **Reeder’s** OP. All he has done is quote an article and post a cite and some of you have decided _on your own_ that Bush is being bashed. Seems to me that the problem is equated to the White House in your own minds without any prompting from **Reeder**. \*\*
**Chefguy** : Maybe you should read the this thread’s _Title_?
“How the Bush military cares for injured reservists” Seems like a mention of Bush to me.
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### Author:  [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2003, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-bush-military-cares-for-injured-reservists/208276/24 "2003-10-19T14:30:56Z")
It’s not in the op. He also didn’t say “I wasn’t talking about Bush” in his later replies. Nay, he _confirms_ that the OP was about Bush.
BTW, I was, in no way, trying to confrontational…just saying, is all…
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### Author:  [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2003, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-bush-military-cares-for-injured-reservists/208276/25 "2003-10-19T14:32:05Z")
After seeing **John** ’s reply, I would just like to say…
D’OH
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### Author:  [@1kBR\_Kid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/1kBR_Kid)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2003, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-bush-military-cares-for-injured-reservists/208276/26 "2003-10-19T14:53:19Z")
I read the entire article and I don’t think it’s as bad as it seems. There’s a lot of speculation on the part of soldiers, for one.
I just do not believe that a soldier in dire need of surgery for a crushed foot is being ignored. I believe that any soldier who needs emergency medical care is getting it.
As for the conditions they are living in; they should be used to it by now. I’m in the National Guard and their quarters sound exactly like were we stay when we train in Ft. Hood.
I think a lot of that Drudge report is hype.
Do I think soldiers have no right to complain? Wwwwwwwwell…I’ve heard stories of the govt denying illness claims one too many times. As an M1 tanker, I’m pretty concerned about Deplted Uranium too.
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### Author:  [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2003, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-bush-military-cares-for-injured-reservists/208276/27 "2003-10-19T15:01:26Z")
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> \*Originally posted by spooje \*
> \*\*After seeing **John** ’s reply, I would just like to say…
> D’OH \*\*
Points taken. I’ll slink away now. Bush is a poopoo head.
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2003, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-bush-military-cares-for-injured-reservists/208276/28 "2003-10-19T18:03:59Z")
**spooje** : you’ve got a good point there. I think I’ll retract my remarks for the time being.
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2003, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-bush-military-cares-for-injured-reservists/208276/29 "2003-10-19T18:20:23Z")
France.
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### Author:  [@Lucretia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucretia)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2003, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-bush-military-cares-for-injured-reservists/208276/30 "2003-10-19T22:20:22Z")
I’m kind of finding the story a little unbelievable, as well. What exactly are these “illnesses and injuries” that these soldiers are having to wait to have seen? A months wait for a non-urgent condition is not nesscarily unreasonable, or, quite frankly, uncommon in the military medical system.
Like **1kBR Kid** , I have a very hard time believing that any soldier needing urgent care is not getting it.
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### Author:  [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2003, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-bush-military-cares-for-injured-reservists/208276/31 "2003-10-19T23:53:19Z")
Lucretia: I’m also wondering why that story has the Soldiers waiting “in hot cement barracks.” Heck, I was stationed there in 1982~1983 and my barracks were cement; however, when I bothered to turn on the air conditioner, it wasn’t that hot.
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### Author:  [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2003, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-bush-military-cares-for-injured-reservists/208276/32 "2003-10-20T00:32:33Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Monty \*
> \*\*Lucretia: I’m also wondering why that story has the Soldiers waiting “in hot cement barracks.” Heck, I was stationed there in 1982~1983 and my barracks were cement; however, when I bothered to turn on the air conditioner, it wasn’t that hot. \*\*
Ya don’t suppose someone decided to do a bit of embellishing, do ya?
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### Author:  [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2003, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-bush-military-cares-for-injured-reservists/208276/33 "2003-10-20T00:45:22Z")
Nope, Michael. I suppose someone put in a load of bullshit.
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### Author:  [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2003, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-bush-military-cares-for-injured-reservists/208276/34 "2003-10-20T00:46:46Z")
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> …1c) In the DoD, I figure one of them ought to have at least a passing awareness of and responsibility for how the wounded soldiers from Iraq are being cared for. Especially considering - if nothing else - what terrible PR it would be if we weren’t doing right by them…
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> …4) On top of that, they ought to figure that if they use a place as a setting for a Presidential event, people might pay more attention to that place than otherwise. So they might should check it out well enough, ahead of time, to make sure the site of the speech won’t politically backfire in some unsuspected way. So the White House politicos should have tripped over this problem and both (a) moved the President’s speech somewhere else, and (b) put the problem with the wounded soldiers on top of Rummy’s in-box, with a red flag.
The first three arguments (except “1©”) lay the blame for everything at Bush’s door. I don’t buy that. I never gave Clinton credit for the economy either.
But 1© and 4 make a lot of sense to me. The administration should take a personal interest in the health care of the military because it is the right thing to do, not to mention the crass politics of the whole thing.
They have a contractual, moral, and self-interested political obligation.
My grandfather authoring the enabling legislation for the VA – and my dad having been a disabled vet – make me perfectly objective on this issue. :dubious:
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### Author:  [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2003, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-bush-military-cares-for-injured-reservists/208276/35 "2003-10-20T01:09:08Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Monty \*
> \*\*Nope, Michael. I suppose someone put in a load of bullshit. \*\*
Well one man’s bullshit is another’s embellishing. 😃
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### Author:  [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2003, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-bush-military-cares-for-injured-reservists/208276/36 "2003-10-20T05:22:22Z")
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> \*Originally posted by John Carter of Mars \*
> \*\ ***Chefguy** : Maybe you should read the this thread’s _Title_?
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> “How the Bush military cares for injured reservists” Seems like a mention of Bush to me. \*\*
Well, just to be technical and pedantic (because we all can pretty much tell what **Reeder** thinks), just mentioning the President the military is serving under at the time of the problem doesn’t _necessarily_ mean an accusation towards that President. It can easily be interpreted as, among other things, a marker of time…
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### Author:  [@cmason32](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmason32)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2003, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-bush-military-cares-for-injured-reservists/208276/37 "2003-10-20T05:37:10Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Michael Ellis \*
> \*\*Well one man’s bullshit is another’s embellishing. 😃 \*\*
:rolleyes:
I suppose it’s easier to convince yourself that the reporter is embellishing rather than to accept the fact that these conditions do exist and that real soldiers are receiving substandard medical care.
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### Author:  [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2003, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-bush-military-cares-for-injured-reservists/208276/38 "2003-10-20T05:57:05Z")
Perhaps we’d like to see some reputable reporting about that substandard care, cmason. Did you ever think of that?
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### Author:  [@cmason32](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmason32)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2003, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-bush-military-cares-for-injured-reservists/208276/39 "2003-10-20T06:34:59Z")
Perhaps you might come up with some evidence that this report is not reputable instead of merely speculating that it is not.
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### Author:  [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2003, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-bush-military-cares-for-injured-reservists/208276/40 "2003-10-20T07:09:06Z")
Or perhaps the reporter could do his damn job and show some facts and evidence.
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