# How the cops tried to frame my best friend for murder. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 13, 2009, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160 "2009-01-13T22:18:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160/181 "2009-01-16T20:19:05Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > She was found dead on an _on-ramp_. Doesn’t anyone think that’s strange? It would be strange if the body was _in_ the on-ramp. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160/182 "2009-01-16T20:20:21Z")
What about under the in-ramp? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160/183 "2009-01-16T20:22:12Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > He didn’t post this thread looking for sympathy, he posted it looking for a fight. So, he got the fight he wanted. IOW, he’s trolling, yes? ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160/184 "2009-01-16T20:28:34Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > What about under the in-ramp? Then the police might have suspected the mafia. ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160/185 "2009-01-16T20:34:10Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > It would be strange if the body was _in_ the on-ramp. Clearly the problem with this is that nobody _offs_ themselves on the _on_ ramp. You do so on the final exit ramp. The one off the deathpool lane. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160/186 "2009-01-16T20:39:01Z")
> [@Cluricaun](#): > > Clearly the problem with this is that nobody _offs_ themselves on the _on_ ramp. You do so on the final exit ramp. The one off the deathpool lane. On a scale from awful to fantastic, that one was median. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160/187 "2009-01-16T20:40:24Z")
Please. No puns about people walking on highway on or off ramps. That’s just so … pedestrian. ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160/188 "2009-01-16T20:40:32Z")
> [@5-4-Fighting](#): > > On a scale from awful to fantastic, that one was median. I know, my joke was _tire_d. I just can’t seem to get my motor running today. I just feel like I’m out of gas. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160/189 "2009-01-16T20:40:39Z")
> [@Cluricaun](#): > > Clearly the problem with this is that nobody _offs_ themselves on the _on_ ramp. You do so on the final exit ramp. The one off the deathpool lane. I thought only celebrities can use the deathpool lane. ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160/190 "2009-01-16T20:45:17Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > I thought only celebrities can use the deathpool lane. You’re right, hmmm…this investigation just came to a screeching halt. Let’s do a U-turn and back up on this. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160/191 "2009-01-16T20:47:29Z")
> [@Cluricaun](#): > > You’re right, hmmm…this investigation just came to a screeching halt. Let’s do a U-turn and back up on this. You’re going to pay a huge toll for that one. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160/192 "2009-01-17T00:04:12Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > FWIW, I believe the bare-bones of the story are true. He did know this woman, and her husband, and was tangenitally involved in the investigation. The stuff about him talking smack to the cops and intimidating them into not “framing” his friend are pretty clearly bullshit embellishments. Actually, the _only_ part of his story we can varify at this time is that date and place this woman was found dead. I’ve done some searching and only found one small article about the incident-I even checked SAG records to see if she was a member, and found nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Fell\_through\_the\_Ice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9adbd/32.png) [@Fell\_through\_the\_Ice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fell_through_the_Ice)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160/193 "2009-01-17T00:11:22Z")
Interesting. As soon as it was pointed out that there is no fucking way in hell the cops would allow civilian to just walk up to an accident scene and view the mangled remains of a victim, Stan fled the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160/194 "2009-01-17T01:09:28Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The thing is, he didn’t just tell this story to vent about some horrible event, or even just to complain about the cops. He posted it to show us all how stupid we are because he got a lot of grief in his other thread bashing the cops. He didn’t post this thread looking for sympathy, he posted it looking for a fight. So, he got the fight he wanted. From there, the gaping flaws in his story are fair game, as is his motivation in pimping out his friends death in this way. > > FWIW, I believe the bare-bones of the story are true. He did know this woman, and her husband, and was tangenitally involved in the investigation. The stuff about him talking smack to the cops and intimidating them into not “framing” his friend are pretty clearly bullshit embellishments. Oh. I just noticed the other thread. That does put a different spin on things. Still, I’m sorry for your loss, **Stan**. It would be better if you were able to cope with it by not overgeneralizing about large groups of individuals. Not all cops are crooked and horrible. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160/195 "2009-01-17T21:55:37Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > It would be strange if the body was _in_ the on-ramp. I’m saying, I can see someone coming off the highway at 1:30 AM and still be going fast enough not to avoid a woman running out on the road, but turning a corner to get to the highway and having accelerated fast enough not to avoid her while still on the ramp…that’s strange. The only thing listed is a head injury, a strange limited injury for a getting hit with a car. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160/196 "2009-01-17T21:59:16Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > I’m saying, I can see someone coming off the highway at 1:30 AM and still be going fast enough not to avoid a woman running out on the road, but turning a corner to get to the highway and having accelerated fast enough not to avoid her while still on the ramp…that’s strange. The only thing listed is a head injury, a strange limited injury for a getting hit with a car. Wasn’t she supposedly lying in the road? It could happen then I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160/197 "2009-01-18T00:45:30Z")
> [@Fell\_through\_the\_Ice](#): > > Interesting. > > As soon as it was pointed out that there is no fucking way in hell the cops would allow civilian to just walk up to an accident scene and view the mangled remains of a victim, Stan fled the thread. Maybe, in addition to being so incredibly tough that he can bully cops engaged in a murder(?) investigation (telling them who to investigate and how to do it), and is such a fantastic detective with such incredibly keen powers of observation that he can walk around a car, at night, and determine that there was “No blood here, not even a speck, and the van has not been washed!”, maybe he was able to sneak past the cops to view the victim because _he is also a NINJA!_. Actually–it just became clear to me; Takes over the investigation of a homicide–check Able to sneak in and out of crime scenes without being seen–check Has an adversarial relationship with cops (but one where he’s ALWAYS in the right)–check Incredible detective with unearthly observational skills?—check Armchair psychologist who instantly sees what the victim’s husband and mother couldn’t?–check It’s obvious– **Stan** is, in reality, the Dark Knight…the Batman! Did I guess right BatStan? ---
**Author:** ![Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harvey_The_Heavy)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160/198 "2009-01-18T12:56:40Z")
In case anyone’s still following this, here are some more news stories from the Burbank Leader: [Initial story](http://www.burbankleader.com/articles/2001/10/10/export12475.txt) [Follow up story](http://www.burbankleader.com/articles/2001/10/13/export12429.txt) [Obituary](http://www.burbankleader.com/articles/2001/10/13/export12415.txt) (Last one) [Follow up](http://www.burbankleader.com/articles/2002/03/20/export10734.txt) from five months later. It was still being investigated as a hit and run at that point. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160/199 "2009-01-18T13:34:52Z")
I haven’t really joined in with the Stan’s full of shit coalition, and I’m not doing that now. However, in that last article it said: > [@](#): > > Without new information, officials hope someone will come forward to help explain how the 23-year-old woman ended up dead on a freeway onramp. Stan explained it to us here. Do you think the officials should be notified? ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160/200 "2009-01-18T13:55:13Z")
“CHP officials and Burbank Police initially questioned people close to Cortes in connection with the incident.” How dare they try to frame innocent people! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-cops-tried-to-frame-my-best-friend-for-murder/481160.md?page=9)