# How the Israelis can safely attack Iran's nuclear weapons program **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 15, 2005, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162 "2005-02-15T06:01:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162/41 "2005-02-15T23:11:15Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Wait, it’s a valid comment that the Israelis tricked us into overthrowing Saddam? It’s a big oversimplification, as any single explanation is bound to be. However, I didn’t say it was true. I thought it was a valid thing to imply, or at least keep in mind. I do know that in this past war, Israel lost an enemy without having to lift a finger and the US, expecting a walk in the park, took on a bunch of problems it will be involved in for years. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say Israel’s government might have encouraged the US to invade Iraq because it was a threat to both nations; it would have been in Israel’s interest to do so. And I do realize the comment I quoted was not this cautious in its wording, but then I didn’t think this would become an ongoing discussion. 😉 > [@](#): > > Oh, you say they’re stupid bloodthirsty genocidal war criminals, so they won’t have learned a thing from the Iraq invasion? Do you always try to make your points by putting words in people’s mouths? I’m trying to take part in a conversation here. > [@](#): > > Too politically tone-deaf to know when they are already on thin ice? You honestly beleive Karl Rove doesn’t know how a war against Iran would affect the president’s popularity? What’s Bush going to do, lose his bid for a third term? We already know Cheney isn’t running in '08 either. If I may presume to speak for myself, I don’t think it’s at all a foregone conclusion that the US will attack Iran. There _can’t_ be an invasion any time soon because we don’t have the people. I also don’t think it’s impossible something will happen. > [@Alessan](#): > > If I came across as generalizing and hyperbolic, I apologize. Does that sentence really require an “if?” > [@](#): > > I was referring mainly to the former “Great Powers”, the ones who are the most vocal in their criticism of other nations’ policies. Listening to them speak of morally driven foreign policy and peaceful resolution of conflict is like hearing a bunch of reformed whores speak of abstinence. I know where you’re coming from, but on the other hand, whores would know and that’s a _tu quoque_. ---
**Author:** ![Cornelius\_Tuggerson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Cornelius\_Tuggerson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cornelius_Tuggerson)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162/42 "2005-02-15T23:20:50Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Listening to _them_ speak of morally driven foreign policy and peaceful resolution of conflict is like hearing a bunch of reformed whores speak of abstinence. Then obviously any nation that has ever participated in an armed conflict can never lecture Israel even if Israel admits the summary executions and crimes against humanity as that would be hypocritical :rolleyes: Europeans saw what violence/human rights violations/segregation all lead to and learned their lessons (after a number of tries). Israelis also saw the same examples, but it hasn’t really sunk in yet. When Europe criticizes Israel its more like a recovered drug addict trying to help another kick the habit, you should appreciate it rather then get all worked up. ---
**Author:** ![WpgTriniman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a88e4f/32.png) [@WpgTriniman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WpgTriniman)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162/43 "2005-02-16T01:33:52Z")
Okay, so it appears that people believe the pilots would not be putting their lives at risk very much, and that nuclear missiles (ICBMs) are not accurate enough. Apparently, Israel is trying to prevent the Russians from selling missiles to the Syrians, since the IAF frequently overfly Syria to keep tabs on the bad guys there. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162/44 "2005-02-16T02:03:13Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Using nukes preemptively isn’t even realism. It would be crazyness. I mean “deciding to wage war to maintain your power position is just good ole fashioned realism” not the Bush doctrine. The Bush doctrine only describes U.S. actions. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162/45 "2005-02-16T02:12:03Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > I know it is an article of faith that a good ol’ war boosts the president’s popularity, but how would a debacle with thousands of dead US servicepeople improve the president’s popularity? Maybe the same way that a debacle with thousands of dead civilians did. Haliburton has begun to withdraw from Iran. Apparently they don’t think people will buy the idea that they are a Cayman company rather than an American one. ---
**Author:** ![Age\_Quod\_Agis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d07c76/32.png) [@Age\_Quod\_Agis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Age_Quod_Agis)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162/46 "2005-02-16T02:43:34Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Iran has a nuclear weapons program? > You have no evidence to back up what your scary fantasy. Iran denies that it has a nuclear _weapons_ program. However, it has certainly left open that possibility in its rhetoric. [Here.](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/21/world/main579117.shtml) > [@](#): > > In recent weeks, Iran has twice had to acknowledge that particles of uranium, enriched to weapons-grade level, have been found in different parts of the country. Iran said the particles came from contaminated equipment imported from another country it did not identify. > > Some Iranian hard-liners have called for the country to quit the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. But Kharrazi said Iran was committed to the treaty — for now. > > “Withdrawing from the treaty is not on our agenda … unless Iran is deprived of all its rights,” Kharrazi said. [Here.](http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/02/10/iran.nuclear.reut/) > [@](#): > > “The Iranian nation does not seek war, does not seek violence and dispute. But the world must know that this nation will not tolerate any invasion,” President Mohammad Khatami said in a fiery speech to the crowd in central Tehran. > > “The whole Iranian nation is united against any threat or attack. If the invaders reach Iran, the country will turn into a burning hell for them,” he added, as the crowd, braving heavy snow, chanted “Death to America!” and “Death to Israel!.” [Here.](http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=492439) > [@](#): > > TEHRAN, Iran, Feb. 11, 2005 — Influential cleric and former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani warned at Friday prayers today that the United States must stop what he called threatening his country or Iran would step up its nuclear program. It looks like Iran is saying it will either receive help from the world community in developing nuclear technology, or it will develop its own nuclear program, which will include nuclear weapons. Isreal has apparently left open the [possibility of an attack](http://216.26.163.62/2003/me_israel_09_25.html) to disable Iran’s nuclear program. [So has the US](http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/5232554.html). > [@](#): > > Asked whether the Europeans have delivered the nonproliferation message strongly enough, Rice said: “I believe that everyone is telling the Iranians that they’re going to have to live up to their international obligations, or next steps are in the offing. And I think everyone understands what next steps mean.” Obviously, Western nations fear that they would be playing a fool’s gambit if they gave Iran nuclear technology because Iran could easily turn that technology from peaceful purposes to developing nuclear weapons. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162/47 "2005-02-16T02:45:06Z")
To respond to the main point of the OP rather than the “sub-thread” – > [@WpgTriniman](#): > > Would it not be feasible for Israel to use missiles to nuke the suspected targets? :eek: What the **fuck?!** You don’t really believe, do you, that anybody in the Israeli Defense Ministry is seriously weighing this as an option, or ever would? It would mean “collateral damage” of thousands, possibly millions, of Iranian civilians who just happen to live near the nuclear facilities. It would do unpredictable but certainly massive damage to the regional environment – and with the Earth turning the direction it does, Israel is more or less downwind from Iran. (Europe took a lot of nuclear fallout from Chernobyl, and that was just a power-plant meltdown.) And it would end in yet another war between Israel and all of its neighbors – and this time Israel would **lose** – even if it still held some nukes in reserve, it would lose – and no sane person would shed a tear for its extermination. That’s the **best** -case scenario. Worst-case scenario is a general war between the U.S. and Israel (and fuck, maybe even Europe) on one side and the whole Islamic world on the other. “Many megadeaths, no blame.” Let us think no more of this. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162/48 "2005-02-16T03:11:28Z")
> [@Age Quod Agis](#): > > Obviously, Western nations fear that they would be playing a fool’s gambit if they gave Iran nuclear technology because Iran could easily turn that technology from peaceful purposes to developing nuclear weapons. If this is how the western nations feel, then they need to do the honest thing, and pull out of the nuclear nonproliferation treaty. They are not living up to their end of the bargain. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162/49 "2005-02-16T03:38:57Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > If this is how the western nations feel, then they need to do the honest thing, and pull out of the nuclear nonproliferation treaty. They are not living up to their end of the bargain. How not? Under the NPT, five and only five countries are allowed to have nuclear weapons: The U.S., UK, France, Russia and China. Inda, Pakistan and Israel are not signatories – but Iran is. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear\_non-proliferation\_treaty](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_non-proliferation_treaty) ---
**Author:** ![Age\_Quod\_Agis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d07c76/32.png) [@Age\_Quod\_Agis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Age_Quod_Agis)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162/50 "2005-02-16T03:41:35Z")
I don’t understand, **Squink**. How does the Western world’s caution in providing other countries the means to make nuclear weapons amount to “not living up to their end of the bargain” on the non-proliferation treaty? In fact, it’s my understanding that providing Iran with such technology would go [against the NPT](http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/npt/), especially since Iran has “secretly” obtained materials for developing nuclear power and indicated that they oppose IAEA inspections and oversight (emphasis added): > [@](#): > > The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, also referred to as the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), obligates the five acknowledged nuclear-weapon states (the United States, Russian Federation, United Kingdom, France, and China) not to transfer nuclear weapons, other nuclear explosive devices, **or their technology** to any non-nuclear-weapon state. Non-nuclear-weapon States Parties undertake not to acquire or produce nuclear weapons or nuclear explosive devices. **They are required also to accept safeguards to detect diversions of nuclear materials from peaceful activities, such as power generation, to the production of nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices**. This must be done in accordance with an individual safeguards agreement, concluded between each non-nuclear-weapon State Party and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). Under these agreements, **all nuclear materials in peaceful civil facilities under the jurisdiction of the state must be declared to the IAEA, whose inspectors have routine access to the facilities for periodic monitoring and inspections**. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162/51 "2005-02-16T04:08:39Z")
[http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/npt/text/npt2.htm](http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/npt/text/npt2.htm) > [@](#): > > Article III > 3. The safeguards required by this article shall be implemented in a manner designed to comply with article IV of this Treaty, and to avoid hampering the economic or technological development of the Parties or international cooperation in the field of peaceful nuclear activities, including the international exchange of nuclear material and equipment for the processing, use or production of nuclear material for peaceful purposes in accordance with the provisions of this article and the principle of safeguarding set forth in the Preamble of the Treaty. > > Article IV > > 1. Nothing in this Treaty shall be interpreted as affecting the inalienable right of all the Parties to the Treaty to develop research, production and use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes without discrimination and in conformity with articles I and II of this Treaty. The IAEA is thus far lacking evidence that Iran is engaged in a weapons program. The nuclear-weapon states (that’s us) have agreed not to hamper **peaceful** nuclear development. We **are** hampering Iran’s development of peaceful nuclear capabilities. ---
**Author:** ![Age\_Quod\_Agis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d07c76/32.png) [@Age\_Quod\_Agis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Age_Quod_Agis)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162/52 "2005-02-16T04:58:28Z")
We’re not hampering peaceful nuclear development. We’re ensuring that Iran is developing peaceful nuclear power and not nuclear weapons, [as specified in the NPT](http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/2003/iran-030618-rfel-072940.htm): > [@](#): > > The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) meets today in Vienna to discuss what it says is Iran’s failure to comply with the agency’s nuclear safeguards agreement. > > The agreement aims to prevent the diversion of nuclear materials and resources to secret nuclear-weapons programs. The U.S. has accused Iran of developing nuclear weapons, a charge Iran has strongly denied. > > The IAEA, the UN’s nuclear watchdog, and the European Union and Russia are trying to persuade Iran to sign a protocol which would allow more intrusive, short-notice IAEA inspections of Iran’s nuclear facilities to see if Iran’s nuclear program is only for civilian use. [Here.](http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1205/p07s02-wogi.html) > [@](#): > > According to IAEA officials, the agreement was reached just before the IAEA released a confidential report saying that Iran repeatedly breached its nuclear safeguard agreements under the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). The report found that Iran secretly produced highly enriched uranium and plutonium, the essential ingredients for making a nuclear weapon. > > While the amounts were not large enough to produce a nuclear bomb, the program spurred speculation about Iran’s nuclear intentions. “We cannot state with certainty that this is a peaceful program, but we do not have proof that it is a weapons program,” ElBaradei says. “We need to do much more in-depth work before we come to a conclusion.” [Here.](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/07/opinion/fenton/main672094.shtml) > [@](#): > > The United States and most major western powers believe Iran is working to produce nuclear weapons and is within a few years of reaching its goal. Iran insists it is only producing fuel for a peaceful nuclear energy program. But the debate over whether Iran’s current nuclear program is military or civilian is meaningless. > > Iran is working on both plutonium and uranium processing – both means of producing the material for a nuclear weapon. The amazing thing is that both programs are legal. The Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty allows a country to produce and possess for peaceful purposes the same materials that can be used in nuclear weapons. It was not Iran’s programs to produce separated plutonium and enriched uranium that violated its international treaty obligations. It was Iran’s failure to notify the International Atomic Energy Agency of its programs that got it into trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162/53 "2005-02-16T05:39:51Z")
> [@Age Quod Agis](#): > > We’re not hampering peaceful nuclear development. 😃 We are threatening to bomb or invade if they don’t forsake enrichment. -not just weapons grade enrichment, **any** enrichment. Having had one reactor blown to kingdom come, Iran’s reticence in revealing details of its program to everyone’s immediate satisfaction is understandable; particularly when US officials like John Bolton [spread baseless lies](http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/2004/iran-040820-irna02.htm) about Iranian nuke plans. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162/54 "2005-02-16T05:48:09Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > We are threatening to bomb or invade if they don’t forsake enrichment. > -not just weapons grade enrichment, **any** enrichment. > > Having had one reactor blown to kingdom come, Iran’s reticence in revealing details of its program to everyone’s immediate satisfaction is understandable; particularly when US officials like John Bolton [spread baseless lies](http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/2004/iran-040820-irna02.htm) about Iranian nuke plans. The fact remains that there is good reason to be suspicious of Iran’s intent. ---
**Author:** ![Nietzsche](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8dc957/32.png) [@Nietzsche](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nietzsche)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162/55 "2005-02-16T05:51:37Z")
> [@Age Quod Agis](#): > > We’re not hampering peaceful nuclear development. [Yes you are](http://www.armscontrol.org/act/1999_01-02/rujf99.asp). And that’s just one example. There are countless others where the U.S. has stymied technological sales to Iran in regards to nuclear energy. If all you were doing was making sure they didn’t cross the line into weapons manufacturing, then you would have been calling for UN inspectors to go in and verify instead of outright sanctioning firms for working with Iran. Iran was found to be in violation of it’s disclosure obligations in regards to some sites. But the U.S. has been sanctioning Russia and China to delay the plant at Bushehr which had been under UN supervision and had been verified to be for peaceful energy purposes (itself being a violation of the NPT as **Squink** correctly pointed out). ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162/56 "2005-02-16T06:23:33Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The fact remains that there is good reason to be suspicious of Iran’s intent. Well sure. We’ve got to get them into full cooperation with the IAEA, but spreading wild stories and threatening to bomb them isn’t the way to do that, or to uphold our side of the NNPT. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162/57 "2005-02-16T08:18:56Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > [http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/npt/text/npt2.htm](http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/npt/text/npt2.htm) > The IAEA is thus far lacking evidence that Iran is engaged in a weapons program. The nuclear-weapon states (that’s us) have agreed not to hamper **peaceful** nuclear development. We **are** hampering Iran’s development of peaceful nuclear capabilities. Europe has offered the Iranians to replace their older technology heavy-water generator, which can be used to create the material used in nuclear weapons, with a more modern and efficient nuclear generator, but which can not be used for nuclear weapon production. For free. Iran has declined all this. One has to be more than a little naïve not to see what their ambitions are. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162/58 "2005-02-16T14:08:16Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > Europe has offered the Iranians to replace their older technology heavy-water generator… For free. I was offered a free iPod this morning. I said no too. What were the precise terms of the deal? What assurances did Europe offer that its free reactor-giveaway was less of a sham than the free reactor-giveaway offered to North Korea? ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162/59 "2005-02-16T14:23:04Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > I was offered a free iPod this morning. I said no too. > What were the precise terms of the deal? > What assurances did Europe offer that its free reactor-giveaway was less of a sham than the free reactor-giveaway offered to North Korea? Iran has to get ten other countries to sign up to get a new reactor before it gets one. [A](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4271011.stm) [large](http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,147764,00.html) [blast](http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/02/16/iran.explosion/index.html) has been reported near the reactor in question. Details sketchy on whether or not there actually was a blast and where it came from (I’m going to discount the possibility of an air strike–only two countries would seriously think about it, and I don’t see either Israel or the US hitting a nuclear reactor at this point in time.) The dropped fuel-tank sounds pretty plausible if there was indeed an explosion. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162/60 "2005-02-18T11:51:52Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > “Many megadeaths, no blame.” Absolutely off topic but… Fnord. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-the-israelis-can-safely-attack-irans-nuclear-weapons-program/290162.md?page=4)