# How to be a liberal in a Trump world **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 16, 2016, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840 "2016-12-16T05:07:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840/121 "2016-12-20T04:48:25Z")
I tell ya what, I certainly don’t feel any better about the whole situation after reading this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Colleen7242664](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bc8723/32.png) [@Colleen7242664](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colleen7242664)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840/122 "2016-12-20T14:41:07Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > I know this will seem to you like I’m just one of those “Trump can’t do ANYTHING right, no matter what he does I’ll spin it into a negative” types, but … honestly, this about-face really bothers me and it seems quite illuminating about the kind of man Trump is. > > If he honestly believes everything he said about Clinton’s criminal behavior, why the hell is he letting her off the hook? Why did he only use her supposed crimes merely as election material, when the “crimes” are pretty serious? Wouldn’t a high profile conviction of someone who compromised national security and used political connections for personal gain send a strong message to other potential wrong-doers? Assuming that he actually believed half of what he said about Clinton’s wrongdoing, it strikes me as bizarre, weak, and disappointing that he doesn’t care about prosecuting that kind of criminal activity. (Let’s not even talk about how he’s reneging on what he promised his supporters - apparently they don’t care whether he actually follows through on anything, so I guess if they don’t feel betrayed, I won’t waste any energy feeling self-rightous on their behalf.) > > If, as I personally think is the case, he knew all along that he was spinning grotesque exaggerations at the very least, and sometimes outright lies, about Clinton - and he did it just to get elected, that doesn’t speak well for what kind of man he’ll be in office. It says he thinks it is acceptable to do anything, even if it is dishonest and damaging to other people, just to get what he wants. > > I don’t think appointing a special prosecutor to look into Clinton makes sense, so part of me is glad he has backed off. But then, I never pretended I thought it was a good idea in the first place. For Trump to back away now is just evidence of his cynicism and willingness to say anything to get elected, even when he doesn’t mean it. I worked in reality TV for years. The way he ran his campaign sort of reminded me of how we would edit shows. Create whatever scenario would bring the biggest emotional response, even when most of it was contrived. He won the election like a reality show villain ---
**Author:** ![Colleen7242664](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bc8723/32.png) [@Colleen7242664](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colleen7242664)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840/123 "2016-12-20T15:06:11Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > This amazes me. It is representative of the mood and tone of this board and all of liberal America right now. > > When Obama was elected, you didn’t see this kind of stuff. The conservatives didn’t riot in the streets, they didn’t try to coerce electors to change their votes, they didn’t run around in circles like Chicken Little, wringing their hands while they whimpered that the sky was falling. We sure as hell didn’t need safe spaces. All we did was point out that liberals elected a complete incompetent to the White House. Eight years later, with the power of 20-20 hindsight, we have been proven correct. > > Guess what? We survived. We bitched and muttered and grumbled, but we carried on with our lives and made do the best we could. > > Instead of worrying about how to be a liberal in a Trump world, you guys might try being adults in the real world. That would be better for everyone. Again I’d like to refute the “safe spaces” comment. I regret even using that word. I simply meant that it seemed that here, as opposed to a place like reddit, I would get actual conversation and not be called names. I can’t see the correlation that you do. I can’t compare Trump to anyone, much less Obama. He’s a completely different animal. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840/124 "2016-12-20T21:29:23Z")
How to be a liberal in Trump’s world? I say this as a liberal. 1. Accept the sobering truth about where liberalism and the democratic party stands today: while we won the popular vote, we won 50 out of 3100 counties in the entire country. Even if we want to convince ourselves that more people support a progressive agenda, that support is confined to a few communities that are densely populated and don’t reflect the values of the diverse country as a whole. 2. On that note, we need to stop seeing things from a purely epistemic point of view and try to relate to Trumpists in more philosophical and deointic terms. I’m not saying it’s an easy proposition or that we’re going to change attitudes, but at least try to have those conversations. 3. And on THAT note, find a way to preserve our multicultural values but stop trying to win the game of demography politics – that was an overplayed strategy and it backfired big time. We need to stop being hypersensitive and stop worrying about safe spaces and socio-political discourse landmines and just have frank conversations with people. Let people experience Trump for themselves. The honeymoon period will end. When it does, remind people why you voted against Trump without telling them that they were stupid for voting for him. Many of those who voted for Trump or simply didn’t vote at all out of disgust are probably not that far apart politically and otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840/125 "2016-12-21T01:45:10Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > When Obama was elected, you didn’t see this kind of stuff. The conservatives didn’t riot in the streets, they didn’t try to coerce electors to change their votes, they didn’t run around in circles like Chicken Little, wringing their hands while they whimpered that the sky was falling. Your [memory’s not too good](http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27738018/ns/us_news-life/t/obama-election-spurs-race-threats-crimes/#.WFnddTKZOgw), apparently. > [@](#): > > November 15, 2008 > > Cross burnings. Schoolchildren chanting “Assassinate Obama.” Black figures hung from nooses. Racial epithets scrawled on homes and cars. > Incidents around the country referring to President-elect Barack Obama are dampening the postelection glow of racial progress and harmony, highlighting the stubborn racism that remains in America. […] > > There have been “hundreds” of incidents since the election, many more than usual, said Mark Potok, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate crimes. > > One was in Snellville, Ga., where Denene Millner said a boy on the school bus told her 9-year-old daughter the day after the election: “I hope Obama gets assassinated.” That night, someone trashed her sister-in-law’s front lawn, mangled the Obama lawn signs and left two pizza boxes filled with human feces outside the front door, Millner said. > She described her emotions as a combination of anger and fear. > > “I can’t say that every white person in Snellville is evil and anti-Obama and willing to desecrate my property because one or two idiots did it,” said Millner, who is black. “But it definitely makes you look a little different at the people who you live with, and makes you wonder what they’re capable of and what they’re really thinking.” > > Potok, who is white, said he believes there is “a large subset of white people in this country who feel that they are losing everything they know, that the country their forefathers built has somehow been stolen from them.” > > Grant Griffin, a 46-year-old white Georgia native, expressed similar sentiments: "I believe our nation is ruined and has been for several decades and the election of Obama is merely the culmination of the change. > > “If you had real change it would involve all the members of (Obama’s) church being deported,” he said. It’s those white voters who “whimpered that the sky was falling” (and worse) after Obama’s election who are now feeling that they’ve “taken their country back” with Trump. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840/126 "2016-12-21T03:05:10Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > How to be a liberal in Trump’s world? > > I say this as a liberal. > > 1. Accept the sobering truth about where liberalism and the democratic party stands today: while we won the popular vote, we won 50 out of 3100 counties in the entire country. Even if we want to convince ourselves that more people support a progressive agenda, that support is confined to a few communities that are densely populated and don’t reflect the values of the diverse country as a whole. > > 2. On that note, we need to stop seeing things from a purely epistemic point of view and try to relate to Trumpists in more philosophical and deointic terms. I’m not saying it’s an easy proposition or that we’re going to change attitudes, but at least try to have those conversations. > > 3. And on THAT note, find a way to preserve our multicultural values but stop trying to win the game of demography politics – that was an overplayed strategy and it backfired big time. We need to stop being hypersensitive and stop worrying about safe spaces and socio-political discourse landmines and just have frank conversations with people. > > Let people experience Trump for themselves. The honeymoon period will end. When it does, remind people why you voted against Trump without telling them that they were stupid for voting for him. Many of those who voted for Trump or simply didn’t vote at all out of disgust are probably not that far apart politically and otherwise. Do you have a cite for 50 counties out of 3100? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840/127 "2016-12-21T03:28:38Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Do you have a cite for 50 counties out of 3100? It is [false](http://www.snopes.com/trump-won-3084-of-3141-counties-clinton-won-57/). > [@](#): > > The 52 of 57 counties Clinton purportedly won were in just ten states and the District of Columbia. Not mentioned in this list was the state of Alabama, where Clinton won 12 of the 67 counties, alreading bringing Clinton’s total to 64 counties total. Arizona (where Clinton won four of 15 counties) was also omitted from the list. Clinton won eight counties in Arkansas, and 23 in the state of Colorado (which she won). She also took Delaware, despite winning one of three counties, and lost Florida with the exception of nine counties. And while Clinton lost Georgia, she did win over 30 of its 159 counties. Skipping to Texas, Clinton went home with 27 of its 254 counties. > > Even if you count only 17 states (Breitbart’s ten and an additional seven), Clinton won 164 counties in those 17. Even without accounting for the other 33 states, the claim that Trump won all but 57 of America’s 3,141 counties appeared to be completely untrue. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Terrific](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tom_terrific/32/342_2.png) [@Tom\_Terrific](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Terrific)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840/128 "2016-12-21T03:39:43Z")
Google says Clinton won 487 counties and 2,626 for Trump. [Clinton Counties - FactCheck.org](http://www.factcheck.org/2016/12/clinton-counties/) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840/129 "2016-12-21T12:30:39Z")
Yep, looks like I got gagged well on that one. I saw reports of it on one of the links on Google News while I was traveling in the Caribbean – I thought it was legit. But Snopes is calling b.s. on it. Even so, losing all but 200-300 counties out of 3000+ is still a pretty bad drubbing and indicative of a problem with rural and suburban outreach. I don’t think it really changes the final analysis. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840/130 "2016-12-21T12:49:11Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Even so, losing all but 200-300 counties out of 3000+ is still a pretty bad drubbing and indicative of a problem with rural and suburban outreach. I don’t think it really changes the final analysis. :dubious: Well, I’m not necessarily convinced. (And by the way, how did you get from **Tom** ’s Google-sourced number of nearly 500 down to “200-300”? 😕 ) See, “counties” is largely just a fancy way of saying “units of area”, given that most US counties are within about the same order of magnitude size-wise but can differ much more greatly population-wise. If Trump took a little more than five times as many counties than Clinton but 2-3 million fewer actual votes, that just says he won a lot more geographical area in much more sparsely populated regions, which we already knew. It doesn’t tell us anything about the pros and cons of Clinton’s “outreach” in rural and suburban areas. In fact, it may well be that her best outreach strategy would have been to pull more votes in more densely populated counties that she already won, in order to swing a majority of the total votes in a state. There is nothing _ipso facto_ impressive about winning comparatively few votes spread out over a comparatively large area, so don’t be fooled by the superficially striking 5-to-1 or thereabouts area ratio. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840/131 "2016-12-21T14:41:07Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Yep, looks like I got gagged well on that one. I saw reports of it on one of the links on Google News while I was traveling in the Caribbean – I thought it was legit. But Snopes is calling b.s. on it. > > Even so, losing all but 200-300 counties out of 3000+ is still a pretty bad drubbing and indicative of a problem with rural and suburban outreach. I don’t think it really changes the final analysis. Fake news strikes again. Just out of curiosity, if you had not made that claim here, and been called on it, how long do you think you would have continued believing that? How many of your peers do you think believe that? How long do you think they will hold to that belief? Do you think that belief will be shaken as easily as yours was, simply upon exposure to the facts, or do you think it may require more work? Even though you are now aware, you still equivocate your error, by rounding close to 500 down to 200-300, was that because you were splitting the difference between what you used to believe, and the new information that has come to light, or is there another reason you chose to use those numbers? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840/132 "2016-12-21T18:07:48Z")
I suppose arguing the number of counties won is a good indicator of support is related to arguing that winning the electoral college is a good indicator of support - it values geography more than population. Heck, there are single counties won by Clinton in New York and California that have populations greater than many whole states. L.A. County alone, if treated as a state, would be in the top ten by population. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840/133 "2016-12-21T18:19:46Z")
If the California legislature wanted to, they could assign electors by county, and give the winner of LA county the 14 or 15 that their population merits, making them the equivalent of North Carolina. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840/134 "2016-12-21T18:22:59Z")
OK counties…whatever. But BHO is still a muslim. He’s not a communist anymore, but still. And it was a landslide. That’s something you know without your smartass “science” ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840/135 "2016-12-21T20:49:12Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > So, measuring that way, you are saying that 15 out of 16 quarters is not consistent? > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t think it can be accurately called “8 years of consistent growth”. Everybody save the link to this thread. **HurricaneDitka** is now on record saying that the faintest whisper of noise invalidates the entire signal. He doesn’t get any tap backs on that when it (as it inevitably will) makes his future statements false by his own declared standards. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840/136 "2016-12-21T21:33:17Z")
> [@Tom\_Terrific](#): > > Google says Clinton won 487 counties and 2,626 for Trump. [Clinton Counties - FactCheck.org](http://www.factcheck.org/2016/12/clinton-counties/) > [@a poster](#): > > Yep, looks like I got gagged well on that one. I saw reports of it on one of the links on Google News while I was traveling in the Caribbean – I thought it was legit. But Snopes is calling b.s. on it. > > Even so, losing all but 200-300 counties out of 3000+ is still a pretty bad drubbing and indicative of a problem with rural and suburban outreach. I don’t think it really changes the final analysis. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > Fake news strikes again. > Just out of curiosity, if you had not made that claim here, and been called on it, how long do you think you would have continued believing that? > > How many of your peers do you think believe that? How long do you think they will hold to that belief? Do you think that belief will be shaken as easily as yours was, simply upon exposure to the facts, or do you think it may require more work? > > Even though you are now aware, you still equivocate your error, by rounding close to 500 down to 200-300, was that because you were splitting the difference between what you used to believe, and the new information that has come to light, or is there another reason you chose to use those numbers? Without wanting to pick on the individual, I do agree that this mental process deserves examination–not least because as humans, we’re all vulnerable to it. The person also rounded Trump’s number substantially UP–from the actual 2,626 to “3000+.” So as you note, upon exposure to the facts, the person acknowledged having posted something incorrect…which is a hopeful sign. Worth noting: Trump himself and his staunch defenders would NOT do so under any circumstances. But then we see the apparent reluctance to give full commitment to the facts, by means of a fudging of the numbers that tends to support the original position–basically, that it’s _significant_ that Trump won more counties. To argue that position, it would appear, the facts cannot be used without distorting them first. I’m going into this at length because we are about to be subjected to a President and Administration and Congress that have virtually no allegiance to truth. Lies will be piled on top of lies. Only rarely will factual information be presented and logical conclusions drawn. The constant barrage of lies will be challenging to deal with. We need to work at remaining aware of the way the human brain twists and disfigures facts in furtherance of its goal of persuading others that an argument has merit. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840/137 "2016-12-21T22:53:48Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > The person also rounded Trump’s number substantially UP–from the actual 2,626 to “3000+.” I think you’ve misunderstood, at least on this point. **Tom Terrific** said the counties went 487 for Clinton and 2,626 for Trump. Add those together, and you get a total of 3,113 counties, or in **asahi** ’s parlance, “3000+”. The line you highlighted was “out of 3000+”. That, to me, quite plainly means “out of the total of 3000+ counties”. I don’t think **asahi** was trying to claim Trump won more than 3,000 counties, at least not there. Go ahead though, wax poetic about the truth again. It’s very entertaining. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840/138 "2016-12-21T22:58:43Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I think you’ve misunderstood, at least on this point. **Tom Terrific** said the counties went 487 for Clinton and 2,626 for Trump. Add those together, and you get a total of 3,113 counties, or in **asahi** ’s parlance, “3000+”. The line you highlighted was “out of 3000+”. That, to me, quite plainly means “out of the total of 3000+ counties”. I don’t think **asahi** was trying to claim Trump won more than 3,000 counties, at least not there. Go ahead though, wax poetic about the truth again. It’s very entertaining. Not a very big point but there you go. Baby steps. Listen, on the bright side of this whole thing maybe after all these years reparations will be in the cards for people who were blacklisted over russian connections. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840/139 "2016-12-21T23:14:51Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I think you’ve misunderstood, at least on this point. **Tom Terrific** said the counties went 487 for Clinton and 2,626 for Trump. Add those together, and you get a total of 3,113 counties, or in **asahi** ’s parlance, “3000+”. The line you highlighted was “out of 3000+”. That, to me, quite plainly means “out of the total of 3000+ counties”. I don’t think **asahi** was trying to claim Trump won more than 3,000 counties, at least not there. Go ahead though, wax poetic about the truth again. It’s very entertaining. And now you can point to the difference between a mistake, which I am sure that will be corrected and apologized for as soon as he sees how he messed up his math, and fake news, which not only is made up out of whole cloth, rather than being a mistake, but has no accountability, and there is no apology for. Now, if Sherred does not either apologize for his arithmetic error, or points to what you and I missed and shows that his math is in fact correct, then I will agree that he can fall under the same sort of heading as those who make these sorts of claims in the first place. Or at least, if he continues to make that claim, I have no idea if he plans on ever revisiting this thread, or if he cares to contribute further, but if he does, a clarification on that point would be in good faith. Even asashi, when called on his belief in the fake news article, changed his tune, mostly, to reflect reality, but I doubt you will see any sort of retraction or clarification from his source. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2016, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840/140 "2016-12-22T00:46:51Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I think you’ve misunderstood, at least on this point. **Tom Terrific** said the counties went 487 for Clinton and 2,626 for Trump. Add those together, and you get a total of 3,113 counties, or in **asahi** ’s parlance, “3000+”. The line you highlighted was “out of 3000+”. That, to me, quite plainly means “out of the total of 3000+ counties”. I don’t think **asahi** was trying to claim Trump won more than 3,000 counties, at least not there. Go ahead though, wax poetic about the truth again. It’s very entertaining. I think you’re right about the “3000+” even if you do express yourself in your habitual manner. (Do you realize that you overlooked the chance to earn a few points for class, with at least a few readers?) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-a-liberal-in-a-trump-world/774840.md?page=8)