# How to be hideous: the right wing tries to discredit the Parkland school shooting survivors **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 20, 2018, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209 "2018-02-20T17:07:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/321 "2018-04-13T12:50:36Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I honestly can’t think of a single person who dislikes me. Then you’re not paying attention. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/322 "2018-04-13T12:58:55Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I honestly can’t think of a single person who dislikes me. i.e. Everybody who knows you is married. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/323 "2018-04-13T13:58:24Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Trollery involves dishonestly stating inflammatory things solely for the purpose of riling people up. So…pretty much all right-wing media then. And most of the Republican Party (who, let us not forget, have just created a website called “[LyinComey.com](http://LyinComey.com)”, a entire site dedicated to attacking a private citizen). And indeed who have been working overtime to discredit the Parkland school shooting survivors (hey, remember when this thread was about that?). ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/324 "2018-04-13T14:20:31Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > )…And indeed who have been working overtime to discredit the Parkland school shooting survivors (hey, remember when this thread was about that?). Also remember that the title of the thread begins with “How to be hideous.” I think we are receiving a graduate course in that subject. So, you know, our dear little friend is good for something. . ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/325 "2018-04-13T15:32:14Z")
> [@Isamu](#): > > You are the driver of one of the cars in the wreck. So you can’t really help looking. That’s the problem, he only looks back, never forward. Not a safe way to drive. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/326 "2018-04-13T16:29:52Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > So…pretty much all right-wing media then. And most of the Republican Party (who, let us not forget, have just created a website called “[LyinComey.com](http://LyinComey.com)”, a entire site dedicated to attacking a private citizen). … A WHOIS search places the ownership of this website in Panama, now why is that… Beuller? Beuller? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/327 "2018-04-13T16:31:48Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Then you’re not paying attention. I sure don’t like him, and I bet I’m not alone. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/328 "2018-04-13T19:19:15Z")
[29-year-old "notorious and violent’ criminal out on parole (_despite 111 prior charges_] kills young cop serving warrant for parole violation.]([‘Notorious and Violent Criminal’ Held Without Bail in Fatal Police Shooting – NECN](https://www.necn.com/news/new-england/Thomas-Latanowich-Arraignment-Barnstable-Officer-Killed-479612373.html)) Typical and hardly worth note these days. But then I suppose we can’t keep these people in jail, like, forever. Right, **Kimstu**? You people have created this environment and now people want the means to protect themselves from it. This is why some 38 of our states now have concealed and/or open carry laws. You reap what you sow. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/329 "2018-04-13T19:20:00Z")
LOL “You people” ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/330 "2018-04-13T19:46:03Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > [29-year-old "notorious and violent’ criminal out on parole (_despite 111 prior charges_] kills young cop serving warrant for parole violation.]([‘Notorious and Violent Criminal’ Held Without Bail in Fatal Police Shooting – NECN](https://www.necn.com/news/new-england/Thomas-Latanowich-Arraignment-Barnstable-Officer-Killed-479612373.html)) > [@](#): > > A man described by authorities as a career criminal was ordered held without bail Friday in connection with the shooting death of a Cape Cod police officer. Er, you might want to find an example that doesn’t tend to undercut your case, genius… ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/331 "2018-04-13T20:00:38Z")
So, having once again run away, **Starving Artist** once again returns, and once again: [ul] [li]completely ignores the many substantive responses that have been posted in the meantime, and[/li][/ul] [ul] [li]for some reason finds it necessary to inform the reader that everyone likes him, and[/li][/ul] [ul] [li]informs the reader that there is crime, and to prove it, posts an anecdote about a Crime Incident that he knows nothing about, thereby apparently proving that we need guns. (For future consideration, I think it would have been better to post a Crime Incident in which the perp was black, thus wrapping several morals into one story – Guns is Good, Crime and Blacks is Bad. ETA: And also for future consideration, the next “Guns is Good” crime story should preferably not be one where a gun was used to kill a cop.)[/li][/ul] I’m not saying that **SA** has any sort of moral obligation or anything to reply to criticism and commentary. I’m just saying that every time he posts, the way he posts, and what he does and does not post about, provides ever more evidence for why he’s so widely loathed as an annoying fuckwit and a dangerous far-right ideologue. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/332 "2018-04-13T20:03:17Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Er, you might want to find an example that doesn’t tend to undercut your case, genius… So, after having committed who knows how many crimes but having been charged with more than a hundred, and with a known notorious and violent past, this guy was still out of jail still at a young age, armed and in violation of his parole. And you think the fact he’s being held without bail after having killed a police officer undercuts my point about the revolving door justice system that liberal philosophies and efforts on behalf of criminals has created? There’s truly no hope. Well, except “Yeehaw, Guns!”, I guess. Again, you reap what you sow. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/333 "2018-04-13T20:19:40Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > you reap what you sow. That’s actually quite true, you really do. That’s why I greatly appreciate where I live, where we don’t sow poisonous reactionary bigoted right-wing troglodytes like you into our political system, and consequently enjoy the freedoms and benefits of low rates of crime and a peaceful and diverse population with very few guns in society. But please, keep on lecturing. At this point I’m beginning to enjoy it as self-parody, and as an object lesson about right-wing America. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/334 "2018-04-13T20:27:07Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > So, having once again run away, **Starving Artist** once again returns, and once again: > > [ul] > [li]completely ignores the many substantive responses that have been posted in the meantime, and[/li][/ul] > > [ul] > [li]for some reason finds it necessary to inform the reader that everyone likes him, and[/li][/ul] > > [ul] > [li]informs the reader that there is crime, and to prove it, posts an anecdote about a Crime Incident that he knows nothing about, thereby apparently proving that we need guns. (For future consideration, I think it would have been better to post a Crime Incident in which the perp was black, thus wrapping several morals into one story – Guns is Good, Crime and Blacks is Bad. ETA: And also for future consideration, the next “Guns is Good” crime story should preferably not be one where a gun was used to kill a cop.)[/li][/ul] > I’m not saying that **SA** has any sort of moral obligation or anything to reply to criticism and commentary. I’m just saying that every time he posts, the way he posts, and what he does and does not post about, provides ever more evidence for why he’s so widely loathed as an annoying fuckwit and a dangerous far-right ideologue. And so, having returned once again, **SA** finds that the notoriously dishonest **wolfpup** has re-emerged to once again attempt to paint him as anti-black and racist. And **wolfpup** chooses to highlight his point by suggesting that instead of posting about the white criminal **SA** did post about, that he post about a black one instead. I mean after all, how can I be called a racist if I don’t post stuff that can be called racist? And for that matter, why is posting about some black person with a lengthy criminal history racist? Are we to just ignore that any such offenders exist because somehow it’s racism to acknowledge them? And on an even more amusing note, **SA** finds that he is being mocked for having stated that “crime is bad”. And as many of us on the common sense side of politics have noted, when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. The fact that the guy I linked to killed the cop with a gun only highlights the need for law-abiding citizens to have guns of their own to defend themselves from outlaws with guns…or knives or baseball bats or crowbars or whatever else drugs or their basic criminal nature has motivated them to use while attempting to rape, rob, assault or murder said law-abiding citizens. And I’m perfectly aware of why I’m not particularly popular on this board. I’m an outspoken critic of liberalism on this overwhelmingly liberal board. Go figure, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/335 "2018-04-13T20:29:26Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > That’s actually quite true, you really do. That’s why I greatly appreciate where I live, where we don’t sow poisonous reactionary bigoted right-wing troglodytes like you into our political system, and consequently enjoy the freedoms and benefits of low rates of crime and a peaceful and diverse population with very few guns in society. But please, keep on lecturing. At this point I’m beginning to enjoy it as self-parody, and as an object lesson about right-wing America. I also appreciate that you live where you live. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/336 "2018-04-13T20:39:46Z")
So I guess we’re going to talk about everything but the fact that this asshole was out of jail, still at a young age, with a history of being a well-known violent offender and with a huge number of charges on his rap sheet? That was, after all, the point of the post in regard to him. Are you all just peachy with this? You see no problem with it? Do you prefer that our criminal justice system proceed in this vein? And if you do, what is your justification? And if not, what do you propose be done about it? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/337 "2018-04-13T20:57:40Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, but I’ll admit you’re a moron. > > Trollery involves dishonestly stating inflammatory things solely for the purpose of riling people up. The things I post are sincere and posted for the same reason that others post things that rile me up - I believe them to be correct. So then, in addition to being a shit stirring troll, you’re a liar too. Or a psycho. One, or the other. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/338 "2018-04-13T21:37:11Z")
At least my post that you quoted shows that I’m aware that my beliefs are just that…beliefs! In other words, I’m aware that the things we argue about and the stances we take on the issues are subjective and therefore opinions. In objective reality there is no good or bad, right or wrong. These things only exist because we decide what they are. And much of the conflict between the right and the left is because we view the same things in different ways. In other words, we just have different opinions about them. Most of us on the right have always seemed to recognize that our opinions are just that. Therefore we tend to think that liberals mean well but have bad ideas. Liberals on the other hand are far more inclined to think their views are incontrovertibly right, and that’s all there is to it, and therefore anyone who disagrees with them is wrong and most likely either evil or stupid, if not both. But be that as it may, left-wing stances on the issues truly are opinions and nothing more. There is good and bad that results from both ideologies and neither side has a lock on goodness and light. So the sooner you guys get over yourselves and stop acting like anyone who disagrees with you is a troll or asshole, the sooner progress can be made on getting society working together and moving ahead again. Or you can keep doing what you’ve been doing and things will continue to get worse, 'cause believe me they have definitely gotten worse. Some few things are better, but overall the country’s gone to shit over the last fifty years, and those of you who think that once my generation dies out you’re going to have easy sailing are likely to be in for a surprise. Liberal/conservative leanings seem to be largely influenced by genetics and are pretty evenly split. My Facebook feed contains many young people who are just as conservative as I am if not moreso. So you can either learn to live with opposition and make compromises, or you can continue to villainize and alienate everyone who disagrees with you. The second approach has finally begun to backfire on you, so I’d think you’d do well to recognize that you’re not the special snowflakes you think you are, that we all have to live in the same county, that we all have concerns that need to be met, and that yours is not the only view that has merit or which matters. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/339 "2018-04-13T21:41:46Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So I guess we’re going to talk about everything but the fact that this asshole was out of jail, still at a young age, with a history of being a well-known violent offender and with a huge number of charges on his rap sheet? > > That was, after all, the point of the post in regard to him. Are you all just peachy with this? You see no problem with it? Do you prefer that our criminal justice system proceed in this vein? And if you do, what is your justification? And if not, what do you propose be done about it? Now, see, this is a great example of why your idiotic posts are best just enjoyed as parody (thank you for “Yeehaw, Guns!”, I think that should be your sig – for as long as you’re still here trolling the board – thus succinctly summarizing “right-wing troll” and “moron” in a compact phrase) rather than anyone wasting their time seriously responding. Tell us, what is _ **your** _ suggestion to fix this? Wait! Let me guess! I bet that your brilliant fix to this problem is to to double down on what America is already famous for: [the highest incarceration rate in the civilized world](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/07/07/yes-u-s-locks-people-up-at-a-higher-rate-than-any-other-country/?utm_term=.7ddc3ffdac65), and [the most severe, unforgiving sentences](https://www.attn.com/stories/14338/how-prison-sentences-america-compare-other-countries) in the civilized world. All of which so obviously doesn’t fucking work and actually leads to _ **worse** _ consequences and _ **higher** _ crime rates that only a completely moronic reactionary troglodyte would think that the right answer is to double down on it, instead of learning from the successes of other countries. Or, to be slightly more accurate, I believe your brilliant theory is to double down on all the judicial and correctional policies that don’t fucking work and have negative consequences and _ **also** _ give everybody and his dog lots more guns, thus completing the perfect trifecta of idiocy, embracing every last thing that has negative consequences and doubling down on it. Because evidence means nothing, and gut feel means everything – the very definition of an idiot and the defining characteristic of a contemporary Republican fuckwit. Yes, I am indeed very glad to be living where I am, and very happy indeed that neither you nor anyone like you has any political influence here. ETA: I should add, lest any of the above be misinterpreted, that the primary focus on rehabilitation doesn’t mean that incorrigible criminals should not be treated appropriately. They do exist, and where I live some have duly and appropriately been sentenced such that they will likely – or almost certainly – never be released. But these are rare cases and don’t form the mainstream of judicial and sentencing policy. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/340 "2018-04-13T22:04:53Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > At least my post that you quoted shows that I’m aware that my beliefs are just that…beliefs! In other words, I’m aware that the things we argue about and the stances we take on the issues are subjective and therefore opinions. In objective reality there is no good or bad, right or wrong. These things only exist because we decide what they are. And much of the conflict between the right and the left is because we view the same things in different ways. In other words, we just have different opinions about them. You are separating quite a bit from your conservative breatherren in your treatise on relative moralities here, but I’ll take it. I agree so far. > [@](#): > > Most of us on the right have always seemed to recognize that our opinions are just that. Therefore we tend to think that liberals mean well but have bad ideas. Liberals on the other hand are far more inclined to think their views are incontrovertibly right, and that’s all there is to it, and therefore anyone who disagrees with them is wrong and most likely either evil or stupid, if not both. Here you go with projections. Sure, some things are opinions. “Murder is bad” is just an opinion. It is entirely possible that you can have an opinion that murder is great. However, if we come to an agreement that murder is bad, and the vast majority of people agree that that is a “right” opinion to have then you are no longer dealing with an opinion, you are dealing with facts. How can we decrease murder. The answer to that is not opinion. It is complicated, and there may be different approaches, but it can be determined objectively whether or not the things that are being done increase or decrease murder. > [@](#): > > But be that as it may, left-wing stances on the issues truly are opinions and nothing more. There is good and bad that results from both ideologies and neither side has a lock on goodness and light. So the sooner you guys get over yourselves and stop acting like anyone who disagrees with you is a troll or asshole, the sooner progress can be made on getting society working together and moving ahead again. This is where conservatives really get into trouble. When they claim that all stances are opinions and nothing more. Now, it is opinion, I suppose, whether or not global warming is a good thing or a bad thing, but it is not opinion on whether or not it is happening. Conservatives tend to think that scientific consensus is “just opinion”. And no, anyone who disagrees is not a troll or an asshole. There are many people that we disagree with on many things that we don’t feel that way about. That does not mean that one cannot be a troll or an asshole, and try to pretend that it is just disagreement that makes them so disagreeable. > [@](#): > > Or you can keep doing what you’ve been doing and things will continue to get worse, 'cause believe me they have definitely gotten worse. Some few things are better, but overall the country’s gone to shit over the last fifty years, and those of you who think that once my generation dies out you’re going to have easy sailing are likely to be in for a surprise. Liberal/conservative leanings seem to be largely influenced by genetics and are pretty evenly split. My Facebook feed contains many young people who are just as conservative as I am if not moreso. I honestly think that right now is the best time to be alive in the entire history of the world for pretty close to everyone on this planet. The only time that could be better is the future, and I would like to make that happen. It will not happen if we revert to how things were when they were worse. > [@](#): > > So you can either learn to live with opposition and make compromises, or you can continue to villainize and alienate everyone who disagrees with you. The second approach has finally begun to backfire on you, so I’d think you’d do well to recognize that you’re not the special snowflakes you think you are, that we all have to live in the same county, that we all have concerns that need to be met, and that yours is not the only view that has merit or which matters. Do you really feel that liberals are the ones who are uniquely engaging in villainizing their political opponents? Do you not think that the influences of Limbaugh’s and his peers had a bit of a villinaization effect on how conservatives think about liberals? Anne Coulter published a book called, “Demonic: How the Liberal Mob Is Endangering America”, how is that not very literally demonizing her political opponents? This is not something you can just toss off as being liberal’s fault, and not acknowledge at least some smidgen of responsibility from your own party. To do so is to completely lack any sort of self awareness or knowledge of historical or even of contemporary politics. Many of us are moderates, we are more than happy to live with and compromise with our opposition. We have goals in common to which we can work together to achieve, and we also have differences that we need to find room to compromise upon. When a moderate liberal is called the things that you guys like to smear all liberals with (and seriously, look at your posts sometimes, look how many unsupported broad brush accusations you make about liberals), it does become a bit tiresome to continue to assume that you are acting under good faith, as it seems so often that the opposition _is_ just trolling. How much did we hear about “delicious liberal tears”, after all? 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