# How to be hideous: the right wing tries to discredit the Parkland school shooting survivors **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 20, 2018, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209 "2018-02-20T17:07:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2018, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/161 "2018-04-08T16:47:16Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Just to play Devil’s Advocate here for a moment… > > Why does everyone summarily dismiss this concept out of hand? Because there is absolutely no evidence of it, and it is propagated by people who have a track record of telling lies and conspiracy theories. > [@](#): > > Let me pose an alternative scenario for consideration. > > Suppose these kids, instead of marching against guns, had gone out and marched in favor of the 2nd Amendment and responsible gun ownership. Do you think that they would have been fawned over by the mainstream media and made into “heroes” for doing so? I doubt you would have heard a squeak of coverage about it because that wouldn’t have fit into the liberal anti-gun agenda. They probably would be reported by the main stream media in more or less the same way. I don’t see why it would be different. Sure, there are some editorials and opinion writers that you could say “fawn over them”, but the majority of the coverage is just that, coverage of newsworthy events. The media doesn’t make them “heroes”, though they are heroes to some people who are looking to reduce gun violence. In your hypothetical world where the students from a school that experienced a horrific gun shooting go out and advocate for more guns in public to get into the hands of disturbed people, then there would have been quite a bit of coverage of that as well, and opinion writers for Fox and the NRA would be fawning over them and calling them heroes. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/162 "2018-04-08T17:28:11Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Just to play Devil’s Advocate here for a moment… > > Why does everyone summarily dismiss this concept out of hand? Let me pose an alternative scenario for consideration. > > Suppose these kids, instead of marching against guns, had gone out and marched in favor of the 2nd Amendment and responsible gun ownership. Do you think that they would have been fawned over by the mainstream media and made into “heroes” for doing so? I doubt you would have heard a squeak of coverage about it because that wouldn’t have fit into the liberal anti-gun agenda. First of all, you seem to lack the basic understanding that what the media does is report news events. They don’t “fawn over” them. Unless you mean op-ed editorializing, which happens on both sides of the issue, since there’s no shortage of gun-friendly right-wing media. Secondly, what on earth would prompt kids to march in support of becoming even more vulnerable targets to any disgruntled random lunatic wanting to kill them? Your example is contemptible and asinine. There is no legitimacy to pro-gun protests until and unless there’s actually something to protest about – until gun owners are actually and arbitrarily being deprived of their rights, the way these kids have been deprived of their safety and even their lives. And in the present state of gun proliferation in the US, any such real abrogation of gun rights is not within the remotest realm of possibility, nor has it happened even in nations with the strongest gun controls. I would hope that we don’t get op-eds in mainstream media supporting protests by gun nuts that are based on delusions of imaginary threats to their precious gun arsenals in a country that is absolutely overrun with guns, and where the smallest inconvenience to stockpiling yet more guns is regarded by unhinged gun nuts as the worst form of tyranny – and yet, there are enough wingnut NRA-friendly media around that in fact we do. You ought to be happy with that. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/163 "2018-04-08T19:23:21Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Suppose these kids, instead of marching against guns, had gone out and marched in favor of the 2nd Amendment and responsible gun ownership. Do you think that they would have been fawned over by the mainstream media and made into “heroes” for doing so? I doubt you would have heard a squeak of coverage about it because that wouldn’t have fit into the liberal anti-gun agenda. A brief check suggests that the kind of numbers being looked at here are somewhere in the 200,000+ range, with quite a big range. You believe that a political march, with hundreds of thousands of members, directly connected to a huge and emotive news story, which seems to have at least temporarily been the focus of national and in some cases international attention, would not have been reported on? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2018, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/164 "2018-04-08T20:01:35Z")
That draft dodging shit stain is at it again. ted Nugent is once again calling for “people” to start shooting liberals, Democrats, anybody who may have hurt his poor litttle snowflake fee fees. > **[Nugent compares Democrats to ‘rabid coyotes’ | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/07/politics/nugent-democrats-media-advocates-rabid-coyotes/index.html)** > > Ted Nugent compared multiple groups he opposes to “rabid coyotes” on Friday, adding that you “keep your gun handy” to shoot them on sight. > [@](#): > > … Ted Nugent compared multiple groups he opposes to “rabid coyotes” on Friday, adding that you “keep your gun handy” to shoot them on sight… “Don’t ask why,” Nugent said. “Just know that evil, dishonesty and scam artists have always been around and that right now they’re liberal, they’re Democrat, they’re RINOs, they’re Hollywood, they’re fake news, they’re media, they’re academia, and they’re half of our government, at least.” > “So come to that realization,” he continued. “There are rabid coyotes running around, you don’t wait till you see one to go get your gun, keep your gun handy. And every time you see one, shoot one.” … > **[Ted Nugent calls for shooting "half of our government"](https://www.motherjones.com/media/2018/04/ted-nugent-calls-for-shooting-half-of-our-government/)** > > Here is your regular reminder of the kind of people Trump calls his friends. > [@](#): > > … “Just know that evil, dishonesty, and scam artists have always been around and that right now they’re liberal, they’re Democrat, they’re RINOs, they’re Hollywood, they’re fake news, they’re media, they’re academia, and they’re half of our government, at least,” … “So come to that realization,” he continues. “There are rabid coyotes running around. You don’t wait till you see one to go get your gun. Keep your gun handy, and every time you see one, you shoot one.” … > > [https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2018/04/06/nra-s-ted-nugent-compares-democrats-rabid-coyotes-keep-your-gun-handy-and-every-time-you-see-one-you/219877](https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2018/04/06/nra-s-ted-nugent-compares-democrats-rabid-coyotes-keep-your-gun-handy-and-every-time-you-see-one-you/219877) This is the kind of lousy coward asshole we are told to be nice to… to understand … to have empathy for, to respect. Fuck that. Gutless trash talking motherfucker. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2018, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/165 "2018-04-08T20:17:30Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > On a more serious note, it’s pointless trying to introduce facts and logic into the discussion. We’ve all tried. Generally what happens after a good dose of facts and logic has been administered is that Starving Artist runs away, and of course he rarely or never returns to that same part of the discussion again. I hardly run away. In the first place, I sometimes have to leave the board because stuff comes up. Occasionally I post that I’m having to leave just to forestall idiotic accusations that I’m ‘running away’. And people complain when I do. Then when I don’t, sure enough they accuse me of running away. :rolleyes: Other times my passion wanes after a couple of days and I lose interest. Other times, the alleged ‘refutations’ become so voluminous and full of mischaracterizations of what I’ve said, cites that don’t take enough germane details into account, etc., etc., that in combination with having lost interest and moving on I simply cease posting unless and until something should move me to start back up again. So far this is the extent of that in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/166 "2018-04-10T04:15:46Z")
And just when you think they can’t sink any lower, they take it as a challenge. > **[Sinclair Host Resigns After Threat to Sexually Assault David Hogg With ‘Hot...](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sinclair-host-resigns-threat-sexually-assault-david-hogg-013343739.html)** > > Allman hosted a show on KDNL, a Sinclair Broadcast Group-owned ABC affiliate in St. Louis, as well as a morning FM radio show. Hogg responded to Ingraham’s March 28 tweet by urging his followers on social media to target Ingraham’s advertisers. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/167 "2018-04-10T04:51:17Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > so voluminous and full of mischaracterizations Sounds like your condemnation of anything good that’s happened since the 60’s. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/168 "2018-04-10T05:46:32Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > And just when you think they can’t sink any lower, they take it as a challenge. > > [Sinclair Host Resigns After Threat to Sexually Assault David Hogg With ‘Hot Poker’](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sinclair-host-resigns-threat-sexually-assault-david-hogg-013343739.html) It’s good to see these creeps get immediate payback though. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/169 "2018-04-10T09:32:45Z")
It’s fascinating, if not horrifying, to see the reaction among conservatives. Usually in this country, it’s “Oh my! Think of the children!” For conservatives it’s “Oh my! Think of the guns!” In red state America, guns have more rights than children do, especially if the children are black, female, and gay. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/170 "2018-04-10T13:07:41Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > And just when you think they can’t sink any lower, they take it as a challenge. > > [Sinclair Host Resigns After Threat to Sexually Assault David Hogg With ‘Hot Poker’](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sinclair-host-resigns-threat-sexually-assault-david-hogg-013343739.html) What the ever-loving hell is wrong with people??? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/171 "2018-04-10T15:00:58Z")
\*Some \*people. Numerous people, sure. People who value their guns over human life itself. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/172 "2018-04-10T15:28:15Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > \*Some \*people. Numerous people, sure. People who value their guns over human life itself. To be fair, it’s not human life that they value so little, it’s the lives of other people that they care nothing for. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/173 "2018-04-10T17:46:10Z")
No, they value life quite highly, thank you very much. Mainly theirs and those of their families. And they want the ability to protect themselves and their families from the crooks, bad guys and weirdos that liberal practices and policies have unleashed upon society. To wit: [Crime rates since 60s](http://leftcall.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/US-Crime-Rates-1960-2010_4577_image001.png) [Murder rates since 60s](http://leftcall.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/US-Crime-Rates-1960-2010_4577_image003.png) And before you begin to enthuse over the fact that both have gone down over recent years (as always is the rejoinder is these conversations), consider: a) most people aren’t aware of it; b) crime is more widespread than before so seems worse to more people; and c) doesn’t matter, never should have gone up the way it did to begin with. So people quite reasonably are prone not to want to cooperate with efforts by the very people whose policies, practices and activism have put them at risk to take away their most effective way of protecting themselves from that risk. IMO the ‘What the ever-loving hell is wrong with people???’ question rightfully should be asked of you. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/174 "2018-04-10T17:55:20Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > IMO the ‘What the ever-loving hell is wrong with people???’ question rightfully should be asked of you. When I go on TV and say that I’m going to sexually assault a teenage gun-lover with a hot poker, then you may ask me that question. Until then, how can you possible say anything about this guy other than “Yeah, that’s way overboard and downright sickening”? You only mention guns guns guns and how unsafe you feel AGAIN. Jeez. What’s wrong with you? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/175 "2018-04-10T17:56:22Z")
I suppose we should just be happy he didn’t latch on to the part about poking a boy in the ass. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/176 "2018-04-10T17:57:42Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > When I go on TV and say that I’m going to sexually assault a teenage gun-lover with a hot poker, then you may ask me that question. > > Until then, how can you possible say anything about this guy other than “Yeah, that’s way overboard and downright sickening”? You only mention guns guns guns and how unsafe you feel AGAIN. Jeez. What’s wrong with you? If you hold a paper towel tube in one hand and a hot poker in the other… ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/177 "2018-04-10T18:21:40Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > consider: a) most people aren’t aware of it; b) crime is more widespread than before so seems worse to more people; and c) doesn’t matter, never should have gone up the way it did to begin with Consider: a)My client did not rent this car, b)This car was already damaged when my client took possession, and c)This car was in perfect condition when my client returned it. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/178 "2018-04-10T18:24:20Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, they value life quite highly, thank you very much. Mainly theirs and those of their families. And they want the ability to protect themselves and their families from the crooks, bad guys and weirdos that liberal practices and policies have unleashed upon society. Yeah, like I said, they don’t care about other people. > [@](#): > > IMO the ‘What the ever-loving hell is wrong with people???’ question rightfully should be asked of you. So, threatening to shove a hot poker up someone’s ass is perfectly acceptable to you? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/179 "2018-04-10T18:36:28Z")
Crime went up around the world, and then went down, with the timing varying by country. It wasn’t the hippies; it wasn’t the counterculture; it wasn’t rock and hip hop music. It was lead in the environment, poisoning the brain development of babies: > **[Sick Kids Are Just the Beginning of America’s Lead Crisis](https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health/)** > > The hidden villain behind violent crime, lower IQs, and the ADHD epidemic. And it wasn’t just the US. In country after country, crime rates plummetted 15-20 years after leaded gasoline was banned. This is a double blow to some conservatives – not only were the hippies not to blame, but it was the government that fixed it. Other factors may have been involved, but according to this data, lead was by far the most significant factor, in the US and around the world. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209/180 "2018-04-10T18:38:32Z")
That’s a great article, with science and facts and theories and all. But I’m gonna counter it with “Nuh uh! It was hippies!” 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-be-hideous-the-right-wing-tries-to-discredit-the-parkland-school-shooting-survivors/809209.md?page=10)