How to be hideous: the right wing tries to discredit the Parkland school shooting survivors

[corinna]

@Gyrate

Reported.

Bye, Felicia.

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[SteveG1]

@k9bfriender

Thank you for the demonstration on how to be hideous. As a bonus, you are also demonstrating how to be fucking stupid.

Amen to that. FUCKING stupid.

[Folacin]

@Starving_Artist

Like I said, ask a cop.

I think you are saying that, rather than using statistics gathered from many sources over time to determine crime rates, we should find a police officer, whose job is to look for and hopefully prevent/solve crimes, what their subjective experience of the crime rate is?

Well, interestingly, one of my neighbors is a major in the local police force. He thinks crime rates are down, although our homicide rate in the poor sections of the city are still up.

[DrFidelius]

Ask the cop on the corner…
Ask the cop in the grocery store…
Ask the cop in the woodpile…
Ask the cop on the rooftop…
Ask that cop that’s knockin’ at your back door…

SOUND: Knocking.

Ask him!
“Mr. Policeman? What makes America great?”

[Slash1972]

@Folacin

Well, interestingly, one of my neighbors is a major in the local police force. He thinks crime rates are down, although our homicide rate in the poor sections of the city are still up.

He must be a hippy cop. Find a good ole Conservative hippy-smashing cop and ask HIM! Then you’ll find the answer.

[Steve_MB]

@Evil_Economist

What I love about debating you is that you’re wrong about so many things, but you lack the intellectual capacity to educate yourself. Like when you claim that gun ownership is up, when even literally 10 seconds of actual research would show that’s not actually right at all. You’re the low-hanging, slightly stupid, fruit of the debating world.

Slightly?

@Evil_Economist

By the way, this is not at all an exaggeration. I read your stupid post, went to google, typed “gun ownership rates over time”, clicked the first link, scanned the table, saw that you were wrong, all in literally less than 10 seconds. You lack the intellectual capacity to spend even 10 seconds to fact check the stupid shit that spews out of your slightly retarded brain, and I love you for it.

Slightly???

[Steve_MB]

@Kimstu

You seem to have formulated your gripes about crime somewhere back in the early 1990s, and never updated them since to reflect any more recent developments.

To be fair, someone witnessing the state Reagan and Bush the Elder left the country in could be excused for forming a lasting negative impression.

[Steve_MB]

@Starving_Artist

I have pretty much zero respect for 98%…make that maybe 99%…of the posters I interact with

If there’s an asshole wherever you go, that’s a pretty good indication that you’re the asshole.

[Bryan_Ekers]

@Starving_Artist

Or perhaps I could just go hang out on a conservative board and be thought wise, correct and dead on the money.

I for one would love it if you did this, and posted links here to any praises you get on that board for your wisdom, correctness and accuracy.

I’m confident that within those threads and written by the same people will be numerous comical and entertaining flights of pure conservative fantasy. If they think you’re praiseworthy, I’ll bet they also think burying guns in the backyard so Obama’s lingering shadow government can’t find them is a good idea.

Once upon a time I earnestly tried to be polite here and I tried to have honest, sincere and reasoned discussions with people. The responses and the nature of them are the reason I post the way I do now.

And now I’m curious. Do you recall and can you link to one or several posts in your history that were earnest, polite, honest, sincere, reasoned, etc? What were some of your golden age moments before other people made you into whatever it is you are now?

Note to others: I think Starving Artist may have me on ignore, so if he doesn’t respond within a day or so and if anyone else cares to, feel free to repeat or rephrase these ideas.

[Budget_Player_Cadet]

@Bryan_Ekers

And now I’m curious. Do you recall and can you link to one or several posts in your history that were earnest, polite, honest, sincere, reasoned, etc? What were some of your golden age moments before other people made you into whatever it is you are now?

I am also curious!

[Old_Time_Hockey]

@DrFidelius

Ask the cop on the corner…
Ask the cop in the grocery store…
Ask the cop in the woodpile…
Ask the cop on the rooftop…
Ask that cop that’s knockin’ at your back door…

SOUND: Knocking.

Ask him!
“Mr. Policeman? What makes America great?”

The Firesign references always brighten my day.

[Bryan_Ekers]

@Budget_Player_Cadet

I am also curious!

I guess for a larf if Starving Artist himself doesn’t respond, one could examine his posts in GD in his early days, i.e. Dec 2003 to, say, May 2004.

Since I’m too lazy at the moment to delve into google searching, this is the best a quick use of the board’s Advanced Search function can get me, a GD thread from November 2011. Starving Artist’s first post to it, in its entirety:

@Staving Artist

@The Man In Black

So, your saying our men and women in the armed forces deserve to die?

This is news to you? Der Trihs once said in a super powers thread that he would use his super powers to kill every U.S. soldier and support person in Iraq. And he is apparently okay as well with the murder of innocent Americans simply because they happen to have been born in what he considers an immoral country. The U.S. waterboards 3 people and has a presence in the Middle East, therefore from a morals standpoint in Der Trihs’ mind, it’s better that hundreds or thousands of innocent U.S. citizens die in terrorist attacks than it is to torture a terrorist in order to prevent it.

And there is not a doubt in my mind that if torture would provide the information needed to save a beloved family member (or themselves), most of the people on this board who whinge about our being rough with terrorists who indiscriminately murder innocent people would eagerly apply whatever torture was necessary themselves. And they’d be right to do so. You don’t wanna get your ass tortured? Then don’t be a terrorist. It’s just that simple.

It’s like that scene in Dirty Harry where the 14-year-old girl has been abducted, had a tooth ripped out (to send to the authorites as proof he has her) and buried underground in a box with enough air supposedly to last 24 hours or whatever. Dirty Harry grinds his boot into a knife wound in the abductor’s leg to get him to talk (the knife wound had previously been inflicted by Dirty Harry as he was being beaten by ths guy. Prefectly appropriate. And just like here, he had to contend with liberal whingebags who can’t make a distinction between the time when something like that is called for and justified and when it isn’t. They would have preferred that the girl die rather than inflict a little pain on the kidnapper.

What a Bizarro world we live in.

I gather his breaking point, when he stopped being earnest, polite, honest, sincere, reasoned, etc. was earlier than this.

[Bryan_Ekers]

Due to problems further up the supply chain, I’m sitting idle at work so as a research project, I went ahead and compiled the following google query:

site:boards.straightdope.com daterange:2452708-2453074 +“Great Debates” “Find all posts by Starving Artist”

Ideally, this would find all of SA’s posts in Great Debates prior to March 09, 2004, i.e. the early months of his membership on this board. The results are a bit of a mess and the daterange doesn’t seem to work as intended, but the first hit is a GD thread started by Starving Artist himself on June 22, 2004, i.e. less than seven months after he registered here:

@Starving_Artist

An epiphany regarding a liberal paradox…

This just occurred to me! I can’t imagine why it took so long. It seems to me that the anti-Bush/anti-Iraq war/and general war-on-terrorism posters to these forums almost uniformly slam Bush and his administration vis-a-vis the fact that no significant WMD have been found in Iraq, which gives the impression that they believe the war would have been justified if WMD had indeed been found; yet many of these same posters are quick to condemn those of us who perceive a synergy between Hussein’s Iraq and al-Qaeda as being idiots who have fallen for Bush’s war propaganda, and claim such things as “Bin Laden would never purchase weapons from a secularist such as Hussein;” or that “there has never been a relationship shown between Hussein and Bin Laden;” and that “if Hussein were ever perceived as having provided WMD to al-Qaeda, he would have hell to pay via the U.S. response and would therefore never be so foolish,” etc., etc., etc.

So, which is it? Would finding WMD’s in Iraq cause these posters to do an about face and proclaim that Iraqi WMD’s were indeed a threat and we were justified in invading Iraq after all, or would they then simply claim there is no evidence Iraq would have provided al-Qaeda with WMD and we still should never have invaded Iraq because Iraqi WMD’s posed us no threat?

So, you can’t have it both ways. Would finding WMD’s in Iraq have justified the war? Or would it have made no difference because you’re just flat out against the war in the first place and this is just an argument you use to try to discredit Bush’s motives and/or truthfulness, and you would then just fall back on the “no evidence of a relationship” argument to decry the war in Iraq, thereby exposing the hypocrisy of the “no WMD’s found” stance you use to assail the war effort?

Perhaps this was immediately after the epiphanic moment when he realized that being earnest, polite, honest, sincere, reasoned, etc. on this board was a waste of his time. I’ll look for his earlier posts but to be honest, I’m not hopeful of finding Starving Artist’s El Dorado period, just evidence of the shrinking window of its possible existence.

[Gyrate]

Thank you Bryan Ekers but I’m sure that someone as committed to evidence-based reasoning as Starving Artist is will be sure to provide those citations so many of us have asked for.

[Bryan_Ekers]

The search for Starving Artist’s first GD post continues. This is the earliest one I can find so far with the caveat that at the time he posted, the thread was not actually in Great Debates, but was moved there shortly afterward by then-moderator Czarcasm (post 25):

@Starving Artist

Clinton has a lot more to overcome than a blowjob. He was a known and proven philanderer long before Lewinsky and was even caught on tape advising one of his paramours to deny they had an affair. He told her plain and clear that no one but he and she knew it for certain, and if he didn’t admit it and she didn’t admit it, no one could prove anything.

I think this is a very good illustration of his overall character. Like many lawyers, he and Hilary both seem to hold to the philosophy that if there’s any loophole that will allow shenanegans they should be exploited. If something isn’t specifically prohibited by law then by all means take advantage of it. And if you’re doing something illegal or immoral and someone tries to catch you at it, lie, obfuscate, misdirect, anything to try to weasel out of it. And most of all, deny, deny, deny, even to the point of ridiculousness: “I didn’t lie! She had sex with me, I didn’t have sex with her!” Can you imagine anyone else, even though he/she may be a lawyer, splitting hairs in this way in a legal proceeding and being allowed to get away with it? But of course he was, because after all he was the president.

This type of behavior, plus his spending his last night in office pardoning one criminal after another, including one on the FBI’s 10 most wanted list, speaks much more eloquently to the character of the man than anything else. His thinking was to wait till it’s too late for anyone to do anything about it, and until it’s too late to do his presidency any harm, and then he pulls this cheap shenanegan that I can’t imagine any other president in history doing, because he has to repay political and/or financial favors and there’s no law prohibiting him from doing it.

What a cheap, sleazy, underhanded creep.

Okay, that seems like a not-wholly-unreasonable expression of dislike for Bill Clinton (though it makes him sound almost saintly compared to the current presidential trainwreck-in-progress). There’s no indication here I can see that Starving Artist feels compelled to lash out at the liberals on this board. Maybe if later in the thread, someone expressed support for Clinton, and it was this that set him on his current Fury Road.

Wait a sec…

@Bryan Ekers

Meh. A hastily-passed constitutional amendment and a shakeup at the Democractic Convention and good ol’ Bill would easily be the Dem nominee in 2004.

He’d probably win, too. His reputation is that he’s a horndog, but it turned out that being a horndog does not disqualify you from being an effective and popular president.

Some future descendent of Robert Graves will write “I, Clinton” and Bill will be portrayed as a well-meaning but flawed caretaker leader surrounded by people of varying degrees of nastiness.

My God… I created the monster that is Artistic and Starving! My casual tolerance for Clinton’s foibles drove him over the edge, turned him into the twisted freak we suffer today!

Does the OP of this thread want to know how the right wing became hideous?! It’s careless people like me who make them hideous! [runs away, sobbing and weeping]

[k9bfriender]

@Bryan_Ekers

My God… I created the monster that is Artistic and Starving! My casual tolerance for Clinton’s foibles drove him over the edge, turned him into the twisted freak we suffer today!

Does the OP of this thread want to know how the right wing became hideous?! It’s careless people like me who make them hideous! [runs away, sobbing and weeping]

Take pride in your power. He has admitted that he is your puppet, that he has no agency, and that other people make him post the way that he does.

It is the nature of the reactionary conservative to be trolled by people with different opinions just existing, and to actually voice that opinion is just plain insufferable.

[Starving_Artist]

@Folacin

I think you are saying that, rather than using statistics gathered from many sources over time to determine crime rates, we should find a police officer, whose job is to look for and hopefully prevent/solve crimes, what their subjective experience of the crime rate is?

Well, interestingly, one of my neighbors is a major in the local police force. He thinks crime rates are down, although our homicide rate in the poor sections of the city are still up.

Having a busy day today and hadn’t planned to post at all but popped in to see what sort of general b.s. was happening and thought it wouldn’t take long to correct this little bit of misunderstanding. I didn’t say ask a cop if crime is down. I said ask a cop if it’s common to see violent criminals on the streets with multiple convictions while they’re still in their 20s and 30s.

Note to Bryan Ekers: It was a lengthy process that took years. Prior to my having utterly given up on you douchebags and deciding to treat you the same way you treat me and everyone else you disagree with, Miller himself once referred to me as “one of the good ones” [i.e., conservatives]. There is no one post nor one poster responsible for the fact that I long ago stopped taking this board seriously. Not even you. It was a team effort.

And now I’m out. It’ll be interesting to see how you people manage to misinterpret, honestly or as per usual, what I’ve said even in this short post. I can hardly wait.

[Starving_Artist]

Don’t be stupid, Dogman. If I were anyone’s puppet they’d be putting words in my mouth instead of being incensed by them and wishing I’d go away.

[Bryan_Ekers]

@Starving_Artist

Note to Bryan Ekers: It was a lengthy process that took years. Prior to my having utterly given up on you douchebags and deciding to treat you the same way you treat me and everyone else you disagree with, Miller himself once referred to me as “one of the good ones” [i.e., conservatives]. There is no one post nor one poster responsible for the fact that I long ago stopped taking this board seriously. Not even you. It was a team effort.

Were you lurking on this board unregistered for “years” before signing up, because I’m not seeing “years” between December 27th, 2003 (when you registered) and June 22, 2004 (when you started a thread claiming to have just recently realized that liberals on this board were hypocrites).

I admit curiosity about the context of Miller’s remark. Can you recall any specific words he used so I can search for it or any specific words in the thread so I can search for that?

For that matter, my earlier question remains unanswered - can you recall a post that you wrote and in which you can take pride for your solid earnestness, politeness, honesty, sincerity and/or reasoning, even if (or especially if) it got an unfairly hostile reaction? I’d like to read it and if it matters, I’ll give my word to say nothing negative about it.

[k9bfriender]

@Starving_Artist

Don’t be stupid, Dogman. If I were anyone’s puppet they’d be putting words in my mouth instead of being incensed by them and wishing I’d go away.

Fair enough, you’re more like a pull string doll toy. One of those old ones that just has the same few phrases on repeat, and when you pull the string, it makes some human like sounds. From the commercials that I remember from my youth, some could even wet themselves, I’m sure you have that feature down pat.

Puppets are much more useful and entertaining.