# How to fly the flag without supporting the current jokers? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 28, 2007, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780 "2007-05-28T13:25:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Trotsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Trotsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trotsky)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780/41 "2007-05-29T12:34:03Z")
> **[Rallies as Venezuelan TV closes - Democratic Underground](https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2860970)** > > Rallies as Venezuelan TV closes " Jeebuz Christ people it’s only one channel going down. How many of us here would cry if it was a Dem shutting down Fox? Not many. It’s not like that’s the only station on TV there. " ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780/42 "2007-05-29T12:38:05Z")
[QUOTE=Zeriel] Borne of a discussion my wife and I had this morning: I want to get an American flag. I was struck by sudden feelings of patriotism (not that I’m unpatriotic usually) yesterday while chatting with my grandfather-in-law about his experiences in World War II (for reference, he was a decorated sniper, got his bronze star at Remagen) and in general about politics. He was of the opinion that the flag meant the country and the constitution and not those jokers currently in the White House. My wife, meanwhile, is VERY concerned about not blending in with the typical flag-waving psychopaths who unfortunately comprise part of our town (given that it’s a college town in central PA, we get a very interesting mix of liberal and conservative, with a healthy dose of freakin’ insane from both ends). So to the dope I put the question: Is there any good way to fly the US flag proudly, while somehow indicating through a method or subsidiary decorations that your current president can go hang? (I suppose the “Support the Troops–bring 'em home” bumper sticker might do) [/QUOTE] Maybe you can get a WWII flag and fly that. 😉 Maybe you can put a sign on your lawn that more clearly defines your sentiments. “Support our troops – not the war” or something similar. Or fly it upside down as a signal of national distress. ---
**Author:** ![Trotsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Trotsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trotsky)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780/43 "2007-05-29T12:40:38Z")
You leftwingers and America-haters need to either use the Soviet flag, the islamic flag, or some version of the enemy’s flags we have fought or are fighting now. Why not be bold? I hate the damn wussiness of the leftist adventurists. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780/44 "2007-05-29T12:40:54Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] [http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view\_all&address=102x2860970](http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2860970) " Jeebuz Christ people it’s only one channel going down. How many of us here would cry if it was a Dem shutting down Fox? Not many. It’s not like that’s the only station on TV there. " [/QUOTE] According to that link, such as it is, it’s the only opposition station with a national reach. As opposed to Fox, which is only a small part of the vast right wing media machine which dominates the US. And what does an argument another message board have to do with the people in this thread anyway ? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780/45 "2007-05-29T12:44:34Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] You leftwingers and America-haters need to either use the Soviet flag, the islamic flag, or some version of the enemy’s flags we have fought or are fighting now. Why not be bold? I hate the damn wussiness of the leftist adventurists. [/QUOTE] :rolleyes: I’m not Soviet, or Communist, or Islamic. Why should I fly a flag for a cause I don’t support ? Or any flag at all ? And what makes you think that left wingers can’t be flag waving patriots ? I’m not, but plenty are. And “adventurists” ? ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780/46 "2007-05-29T13:09:47Z")
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim] IMHO, no. Americans should not be proud of being Americans and what it stands for at this point in history. We put that motherfucker in office and he has proceeded to destroy the reputation and capabilities of our country to lead the world. We have to own that. IMHO, George Bush needs to be out on his ass from the White House, and preferably facing criminal charges, before America can raise itself back toward respectability. YMMV [/QUOTE] He’s not talking about George Bush, he’s talking about this country. Read the OP again, twice if necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Trotsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Trotsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trotsky)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780/47 "2007-05-29T13:12:01Z")
lekatt, it’s bad enough to be that way due to the politician you don’t like being in power. But his utter comtempt for the USA and its people is right there. Of course, on here though, that’s a laudable stance. When you’re amongst such smart liberals, why not trash the USA to the core? ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780/48 "2007-05-29T13:19:14Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] [http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view\_all&address=102x2860970](http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2860970) " Jeebuz Christ people it’s only one channel going down. How many of us here would cry if it was a Dem shutting down Fox? Not many. It’s not like that’s the only station on TV there. " [/QUOTE] I would cry, I listen to Fox, the only conservative station I know of besides the fanatics. Hey, I can remember when the news was given without political slants by most all stations. Now stations “manage” the news according to political leanings. I don’t listen to any of them a lot. They lack the morality of good news coverage. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780/49 "2007-05-29T13:24:35Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] lekatt, it’s bad enough to be that way due to the politician you don’t like being in power. But his utter comtempt for the USA and its people is right there. Of course, on here though, that’s a laudable stance. When you’re amongst such smart liberals, why not trash the USA to the core? [/QUOTE] I am not a smart liberal nor a smart conservative. I just go with what’s best for the country as a whole as much as I can. I didn’t vote for George, but I don’t hate him either. I have been a democrat all my life, but I think that is about to change given the actions of democrats lately. The other day I read that “Democratics are like a circular firing squad.” Wonder what that meant. ---
**Author:** ![Trotsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Trotsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trotsky)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780/50 "2007-05-29T13:28:15Z")
I voted for Bush twice. The funny thing is, the democrat congress has a worse approval rating than he does 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780/51 "2007-05-29T13:43:31Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] I voted for Bush twice. The funny thing is, the democrat congress has a worse approval rating than he does 🙂 [/QUOTE] They caved in to him; the right never liked them, and they betrayed the left and center when they did that. ---
**Author:** ![Trotsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Trotsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trotsky)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780/52 "2007-05-29T13:48:01Z")
They voted to start the war, cause they knew deep down that it is necessary. Thankfully they aren’t complete fools now, but they do talk like fools often. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780/53 "2007-05-29T13:52:05Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] They voted to start the war, cause they knew deep down that it is necessary. [/QUOTE] Necessary for what ? It is stupid, evil and self destructive. It has massively empowered our enemies, weakened us, and killed plenty of innocent Iraqis. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780/54 "2007-05-29T14:02:32Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] They voted to start the war, cause they knew deep down that it is necessary. Thankfully they aren’t complete fools now, but they do talk like fools often. [/QUOTE] I’ll play too, why was the war against Iraq “necessary”? ---
**Author:** ![Trotsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Trotsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trotsky)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780/55 "2007-05-29T14:02:38Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] Necessary for what ? It is stupid, evil and self destructive. It has massively empowered our enemies, weakened us, and killed plenty of innocent Iraqis. [/QUOTE] Innocent is very relative in this case. Again, this is a battle in a much larger war that started on 9/11. You’re probably too blind to understand that though, since 9/11 was just a criminal matter to you. An ‘inconvenience’ as it were. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780/56 "2007-05-29T14:06:13Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] Innocent is very relative in this case. Again, this is a battle in a much larger war that started on 9/11. You’re probably too blind to understand that though, since 9/11 was just a criminal matter to you. An ‘inconvenience’ as it were. [/QUOTE] Please demonstrate the connection between 9/11 and Iraq? Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, & Saudi Arabia all had more to do with 9/11 then Iraq. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Trotsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Trotsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trotsky)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780/57 "2007-05-29T14:09:32Z")
I agree, they all had a lot of connections. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780/58 "2007-05-29T14:11:20Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] Innocent is very relative in this case. [/quote] And what were the Iraqi people - not Saddam, the Iraqi people whom we’ve slaughtered - guilty of ? Not being American ? [QUOTE=Trotsky] Again, this is a battle in a much larger war that started on 9/11. [/quote] Yes; America versus the world. So far the world is winning. [QUOTE=Trotsky] You’re probably too blind to understand that though, since 9/11 was just a criminal matter to you. An ‘inconvenience’ as it were. [/QUOTE] That’s just silly. Criminal and “just an inconvenience” are hardly the same. ---
**Author:** ![Trotsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Trotsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trotsky)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780/59 "2007-05-29T14:14:03Z")
Iraqis aren’t being slaughtered. Sure some are killed, but we are doing better in this war of precision attacks than ever. Screw ‘the world’. Thankfully France lately has turned against ‘The World’ when it comes to this bullshit. And yes, you consider 9/11 a criminal matter. Too bad you were in there and had to jump out or burn. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780/60 "2007-05-29T14:17:21Z")
Wow, you leave a thread for one night… I think I’m going to have to agree with a lot of folks here, on reflection. The flag is what it is, and it’s going to be flying proudly, because I am not going to let people like Trotsky here co-opt it for their own incomprehensible positions. I’m also going to try to track down some unit flags from some of my veteran relatives, because, well, it wouldn’t be there if they hadn’t gone there, in one way or another. As for anything else, well, I’ll be going to and from my flag-flying house, occasionally with my camo and hunting rifle or airsoft rifles, and probably with some democratic or libertarian campaign signs in my front yard. It’ll be fun to explode heads on both extremes of the political aisle with that image. =P [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-fly-the-flag-without-supporting-the-current-jokers/405780.md?page=4)