# How to stop someone from jaywalking: punch them in the face. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 17, 2010, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557 "2010-06-17T15:33:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/201 "2010-06-19T14:50:08Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > “1st degree wearing a purple hat on Wednesdays”. Finally, a law we all can get behind. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/202 "2010-06-19T15:08:00Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > Do you teach classes in how to be disingenuous or something? “Inventing an offense”? It’s jaywalking, not “1st degree wearing a purple hat on Wednesdays”. Who are the victims in the punishable offense of jaywalking? I can understand them being charged for causing an accident, but if they cross safely, who has been victimised? Essentially, they are being punished for something that _might_ have happened. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/203 "2010-06-19T15:37:50Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Who are the victims in the punishable offense of jaywalking? I can understand them being charged for causing an accident, but if they cross safely, who has been victimised? Essentially, they are being punished for something that _might_ have happened. As are people who drive the wrong way on a one-way street, run red lights, drive drunk… there is no clause wherein if nobody got killed, you get away with it. You really don’t see why that might be a problem? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/204 "2010-06-19T16:56:26Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Who are the victims in the punishable offense of jaywalking? I can understand them being charged for causing an accident, but if they cross safely, who has been victimised? Essentially, they are being punished for something that _might_ have happened. The victims are every driver who’s ever hit some idiot who jumped out from in between two parked cars without looking, or every driver who’s been rear-ended because he slammed on the brakes to not hit one of the aforementioned idiots. Sure, it’s not as serious as robbery, but we can’t all be you. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/205 "2010-06-19T17:37:49Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Which questions? It took me less than five seconds to scroll up and find post #183. > [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > I can understand them being charged for causing an accident, but if they cross safely, who has been victimised? Essentially, they are being punished for something that _might_ have happened. Do you feel that way about drunk driving too? As long as one is making it home incident free and without weaving or breaking laws, they should be allowed to go on their merry way? The main reason there are legal consequences to certain actions is to act as a deterrent. If jaywalking tickets were only issued to those that have caused an accident, no one would be deterred from jaywalking by jaywalking laws. Also, there are other reasons not to jaywalk such as drivers having to slow down constantly for idiots crossing the street wherever they want and at whatever pace they want. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/206 "2010-06-19T18:14:32Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Which questions? If reading my respnses to you is too much effort then forget it. I’ll just assume I was correct in my judgement that you’re just screwing around for entertainment. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/207 "2010-06-19T18:16:57Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Who are the victims in the punishable offense of jaywalking? I can understand them being charged for causing an accident, but if they cross safely, who has been victimised? Essentially, they are being punished for something that _might_ have happened. Jeee sus man. That’s why we have laws against speeding, running stop lights drinking and driving. Because those activities increase the chance someone will get hurt. Do you think about your responses before you type them? ---
**Author:** ![Chicagojeff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@Chicagojeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicagojeff)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/208 "2010-06-19T19:00:45Z")
> [@MTCicero](#): > > I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: Fucking pigs. And I’ll say it again.. candy ass punk who doesn’t have the guts to say it to an officer’s face. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/209 "2010-06-19T19:06:42Z")
> [@Chicagojeff](#): > > And I’ll say it again.. candy ass punk who doesn’t have the guts to say it to an officer’s face. I have done while handcuffed, and got a knee in my bollocks for my effrontery. I bet you think attacking a handcuffed prisoner is a manly act, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/210 "2010-06-19T19:09:19Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > Jeee sus man. That’s why we have laws against speeding, running stop lights drinking and driving. Because those activities increase the chance someone will get hurt. Do you think about your responses before you type them? Oh, you mean the question “What would you have done?” I’d have bent down to tie my shoelace and “missed” her crossing the road when there’s a nearby overpass. What does he have to lose? What did he gain by making a fucking big issue of it? ---
**Author:** ![Chicagojeff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@Chicagojeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicagojeff)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/211 "2010-06-19T19:29:16Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > I have done while handcuffed, and got a knee in my bollocks for my effrontery. I bet you think attacking a handcuffed prisoner is a manly act, don’t you? I doubt seriously that a Law Enforcement professional attacked you. I’m quite very sure that he used forced necessary to complete the arrest. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/212 "2010-06-19T19:35:26Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Oh, you mean the question “What would you have done?” > > I’d have bent down to tie my shoelace and “missed” her crossing the road when there’s a nearby overpass. What does he have to lose? What did he gain by making a fucking big issue of it? wow, not only is that not the question , you responded to the wrong post. No need to respond again. You’ve demonstrated you’re not worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Stealth\_Potato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Stealth\_Potato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Potato)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/213 "2010-06-19T19:36:31Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > I’m a fucking moron? For criticizing the actions of a man who feels it neccesary to punch a women in the face for trying to defend her friend from a bullshit arrest? What makes you think you have the least right to defend yourself (or anyone else) _physically_ from a bullshit arrest? > [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > It’s jaywalking, not “1st degree wearing a purple hat on Wednesdays”. An offense for which, I am sure we can all agree, a brisk punch in the face is the _lightest_ acceptable punishment. > [@Oakminster](#): > > I just like to say I don’t give a rat’s ass whether it was a-ffect, e-ffect, De-ffect, Seven of Ffect, or any other kind of -ffect. That’s not what the thread is about, and the continued hijack is damned annoying. All of you bitching about it kindly shaddup already. Or pit each other in another thread. Thank you. I am in favor of this course of action, because, frankly, the defense of the misuse of “affect” by certain posters is the most appalling thing in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/214 "2010-06-19T19:37:52Z")
> [@Chicagojeff](#): > > I doubt seriously that a Law Enforcement professional attacked you. I’m quite very sure that he used forced necessary to complete the arrest. You don’t believe an officer might do that? I do. No it’s not a manly act. It’s an understandable response to gross stupidity and the exclamation point on STFU. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/215 "2010-06-19T19:49:56Z")
> [@Chicagojeff](#): > > I doubt seriously that a Law Enforcement professional attacked you. I’m quite very sure that he used forced necessary to complete the arrest. I was already arrested, at the police station, and had been handed over to a plain clothes officer, or detective, as you might describe them. I had my hands cuffed behind my back and was being told to sit down on a chair in the interview room, which I refused to do and told him to go fuck himself when he raised his voice. When he walked over to me, I was expecting him to push me back towards the chair and he kneed me in the balls. I was there; I know it happened, and you know fuck all. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/216 "2010-06-19T19:52:53Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > wow, not only is that not the question , you responded to the wrong post. > > No need to respond again. You’ve demonstrated you’re not worth it. [Here’s post #183](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12593508&postcount=183) Now wtf are you on about? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/217 "2010-06-19T19:55:29Z")
> [@Chicagojeff](#): > > I doubt seriously that a Law Enforcement professional attacked you. I’m quite very sure that he used forced necessary to complete the arrest. It is comforting to have such a belief. The Detroit police department just got ordered by a judge to start cleaning up the more than 1100 cases of police complaints. He is fining them 1000 bucks a day until they clean them up. I suppose it is all bad people and good cops. But ,I doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/218 "2010-06-19T20:51:16Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Oh, you mean the question “What would you have done?” > > I’d have bent down to tie my shoelace and “missed” her crossing the road when there’s a nearby overpass. What does he have to lose? What did he gain by making a fucking big issue of it? So the school asks the police to post a police officer there to stop jaywalkers who keep getting run over by cars, and you want him to stand around there pretending to tie his shoelaces? I don’t like the jaywalking laws here, but that location is probably the biggest one that needs it. It’s not just a random teen, it’s a constant stream of people racing across the major arterial coming up on an extremely busy intersection. Look at the google map link referenced in one of the previous posts. This is not an instance of a cop harassing for no cause. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/219 "2010-06-19T20:59:18Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > [Here’s post #183](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12593508&postcount=183) > > Now wtf are you on about? right. and for folks who read english with comprehension there’s a difference between > [@](#): > > How do you expect him to react to being assualted. What exactly do you expect him to do? and > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by **ivan astikov** > Oh, you mean the question “What would you have done?” > > I’d have bent down to tie my shoelace and “missed” her crossing the road when there’s a nearby overpass. What does he have to lose? What did he gain by making a fucking big issue of it? see if you can figure it out. You ought to provide some entertainment. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/220 "2010-06-19T21:03:26Z")
I didn’t see him get assaulted by the woman who got punched. If Italian police reacted the same way to people gesturing frantically, they’d be punching people all day. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557.md?page=12)