# How to stop someone from jaywalking: punch them in the face. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 17, 2010, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557 "2010-06-17T15:33:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/121 "2010-06-18T14:52:52Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > —Contributed by\*\* Ivan Astikov\*\* **(age unknown)**\* I have it on good authority he wrote that within the last six months. > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Grow a fucking pair of testicles and admit it already, before my labia start descending out of sheer embarassment on your behalf. I think I may have just fallen in love with you. ---
**Author:** ![MTCicero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/122 "2010-06-18T14:53:38Z")
> [@Kyla](#): > > My friend posted [this link](http://www.katu.com/news/local/96353934.html) to Facebook this morning. Watch the video embedded in the story, the face punching comes in pretty early. > > From the article: > > What? WHAT? This is over _jaywalking_? Now, I’m not advocating being “verbally antagonistic” toward police officers, but imho just the fact that this guy wanted to cite these girls for jaywalking in the first place is a bullshit power trip, and I’m not surprised that they seemed to think so, too. His reaction, which is captured on the video is so incredibly over-the-top, I hope this guy not only loses his job, but gets charged with assault. > > Punching _a teenage girl in the face_ over _jaywalking_? What the fucking fuck is wrong with you, dude? I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: Fucking pigs. ---
**Author:** ![MTCicero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/123 "2010-06-18T14:54:55Z")
> [@Kyla](#): > > I hope this guy not only loses his job, but gets charged with assault. Knowing how what passes for goddamn cops’ minds, he’ll probably get a promotion. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/124 "2010-06-18T14:58:36Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > White cop, black citizen…of course it’s going to be a news story. Any and every effort to make the police look bad, and the liberal media just delights in airing this shit. Leave it you to make this about race when nowhere else _ **here** _ has done so, in your rabid need to take a swipe at the “liberal media,” whatever that is, whenever you can. > [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > I don’t know why people expect the police to be master ninjas who take people down with leg sweeps and judo throws. Leg sweeps were brought up because police brass in Seattle mentioned that it was an acceptable choice and part of accepted police policies and procedures. Nobody but you exaggerated that into ninjas and judo throws. > [@gonzomax](#): > > Do you people hit women in the face when they don’t follow orders? I have never struck a woman and don’t see how you can be so casual about a poorly trained cop making an error. I think the officer should have exercised better judgement also, but you’re confusing generally chivalrous conduct with choices that have to be made in taking control of an escalating situation. In that instance, the gender of the perpetrator cannot be taken into account when an officer is trying to effect an arrest. Even in general personal interactions, sometimes a woman needs to be hit if it’s necessary for physical self-defense. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/125 "2010-06-18T15:23:31Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > The worst thing a cop can do is act in anger. He is supposed to be in control of himself and the situation. He was neither. He was lucky his actions did not cause a mini-riot. > Do you people hit women in the face when they don’t follow orders? I have never struck a woman and don’t see how you can be so casual about a poorly trained cop making an error. > Whatever degree of “assault” you think this terribly dangerous woman perpetrated on this poor defensive cop, you have to admit he went over the line. Once again you completely avoided offering any viable alternative. So he was wrong but you have no idea what he should have done after being assaulted. I just watched the video again. There’s quite a few seconds after the punch and he is calm and doing his job. He makes a special effort to not cause unnessecary injury when he could have just throw her down and jumped on her to subdue her. I noticed a young male is trying to hold 2nd girl back to keep her from interfering as her hysterical cousin gets cuffed but she pulls away. She touches the officer and he pushes her back. She then pushes him and he throws the punch. As he tries to cuff her for assualt hyterical girl number one jumps on him. Fortunately the friend that tried to restrain her pulls 2nd girl away and the officer does not escalate the stuation. He calmly continues to do his job and keeps asking girl #1 to calm down and cooperate. If he was really pissed he wouldn’t be doing that. This is not an altercation between male and female that the male can just walk away from. Oficers male and female have maintain authority on the street. If you’re trying to give out a simple ticket and the person refuses to take it they are escalating the situation not the officer. If they try to just walk away the officer has to respond. If they refuse to face the car and put thier hands behind them the officer has to respond. He cannot shrug it off and say “maybe next time” Sure, she just pushed him, but doing that to an officer while he is trying to cuff someone is assaulting an officer, and he has to respond. I see no reason for him to think asking her to turn around and allow herself to be cuffed would be cooperated with. Would you have felt better if he maced her or tasered her? I’ll ask again. What do you think is an appropriate response by an officer to being assaulted while trying to preform his duty and suddenly dealing with two antagonists. Let’s note that 2nd girl was not a poor slip of a thing. She’s as big as the officer. She doesn’t get a pass because she’s female. I’ll add that while seveal onlookers are critisizing the officer one defends the punch saying “with good reason, she grabbed hold of him” The officer was calm and professional and the 1st girl was a hysterical drama queen who refused to cooperate. I suppose 2nd girl thought she was defending her cousin but you do not assault an officer while he’s cuffing someone without repercussions. ---
**Author:** ![bashere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@bashere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bashere)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/126 "2010-06-18T15:48:33Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > I noticed a young male is trying to hold 2nd girl back to keep her from interfering as her hysterical cousin gets cuffed but she pulls away. I want to find this guy and offer to buy him a beer or three. I’m guessing he’s a boyfriend of one of the girls and somehow I get the sense he know how this was going to end. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/127 "2010-06-18T16:05:09Z")
> [@bashere](#): > > I want to find this guy and offer to buy him a beer or three. I’m guessing he’s a boyfriend of one of the girls and somehow I get the sense he know how this was going to end. Yep, he was also smart enough to pull her out of the fray when girl 1 jumped on the officer. Otherwise the officer would have had to be more vilolent in defending himself. Just for yucks I tried to find a different video because I noticed others there filming. What I found was an article talking about these two princesses have police records including the assault of a female officer, stealing a car, assaulting and robbing a 15 year old. One reason this is a big deal in Seattle is another fairly recent incident involving other officers who did beat up a Latino using racial epitaphs. Any violence questioned has to be examined because they are already under scrutiny ---
**Author:** ![Carl\_Corey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Carl\_Corey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carl_Corey)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/128 "2010-06-18T16:29:16Z")
racial epithets, **cosmosdan**. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/129 "2010-06-18T16:34:06Z")
Well, she did threaten to stomp him to death. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/130 "2010-06-18T16:39:07Z")
> [@MTCicero](#): > > I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: Fucking pigs. Man, how disappointing. We’ve all gotten used to you spewing nothing but stupid shit in every police-related thread, but it’s at least it’s usually entertaining. From the beginning of the thread, I was waiting to see what kind of dumbassery you’d drop in this one, but this is just weak. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/131 "2010-06-18T16:42:15Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > WHAT THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM MEANS TO ME > > When some one is bad the police ofiser says your under a rest. And the bad person says no you are under a rest. Then they police take them to cort. And if the person acts bad the judje tells them your out of order. And the bad person say no im not out of order your out of order? this whole cort is out of order!! And the judje and every body laughed becuase it was so funny. and the juge says cort ajurned. And every body gos to eat choclit ice cream. THE END. :)🙂 > \* > > —Contributed by\*\* Ivan Astikov\*\* (age unknown)\* :dubious: Is that meant to be funny? Wtf does any of that have to do with anything? ps. And the “viable alternative” was to do his job properly and find something more worthwhile to do with his time on duty. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/132 "2010-06-18T16:43:04Z")
> [@Carl\_Corey](#): > > racial epithets, **cosmosdan**. :o well der. Thanks. No wonder spell checker didn’t catch it. I spelled the wrong word correctly. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/133 "2010-06-18T16:50:35Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > . . . vilolent . . . You sure you used spellcheck? > [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > ps. And the “viable alternative” was to do his job properly and find something more worthwhile to do with his time on duty. He was writing tickets at the crossing as part of a police department-mandated crackdown due to a high volume of pedestrian injuries and deaths there. So he was doing his job properly, having been told what was worthwhile to with his time on duty. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/134 "2010-06-18T16:59:31Z")
I have no problem with the events as they unfolded, although I do think Seattle is a bit draconian in their enforcement of jaywalking laws. That said, if you live in Seattle, you know the score. And no matter where you are, you touch an officer in an aggressive manner, you should expect physical consequences. [sub](Oh, and it’s clearly “effect” to me.)[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/135 "2010-06-18T17:08:00Z")
> [@descamisado](#): > > You sure you used spellcheck?He was writing tickets at the crossing as part of a police department-mandated crackdown due to a high volume of pedestrian injuries and deaths there. So he was doing his job properly, having been told what was worthwhile to with his time on duty. How high a volume? Compared to where? Have you seen the paperwork related to this crackdown? And seriously, Seattle’s crime-rate is low enough that jaywalking is a high priority? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/136 "2010-06-18T17:09:04Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Is that meant to be funny? Wtf does any of that have to do with anything? It was intended to satirize the immense stupidity of your proposed “logical progression” in which a cop deserves to have his ass kicked by a third party for using force in the course of an arrest of a resisting suspect. I could have approached it in other ways, for example, continuing the progression: the third party then deserves to be shot dead by a SWAT team, members of which then deserve to be hunted down and killed by a confederate band of reflexive anti-authority morons like yourself, who then deserve to be annihilated in their hideout by a Predator drone… I don’t have any particular love for the police, but despite that—perhaps \*because \*of that—I have no sympathy to spare for idiots who lack the minimal common sense to know you don’t escalate a situation with a cop, and \*especially \*not physically, unless you’re fully prepared for it to end with you hurt or dead. I’m also tired of the predictable take we get from some posters every time one of these stories comes out. Example: guy throws a Burger King wrapper on the ground, cop tells him to pick it up, guy gets mouthy and in the cop’s face, cop warns him, guy dares the cop to arrest him, cop takes him up on the offer, guy resists arrest and ends up getting tased/bruised/broken in some fashion or other, and sure as shit someone on here will say “what, now people deserve to have their asses kicked by the cops just for _littering_?” ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/137 "2010-06-18T17:17:06Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > It was intended to satirize the immense stupidity of your proposed “logical progression” in which a cop deserves to have his ass kicked by a third party for using force in the course of an arrest of a resisting suspect. I could have approached it in other ways, for example, continuing the progression: the third party then deserves to be shot dead by a SWAT team, members of which then deserve to be hunted down and killed by a confederate band of reflexive anti-authority morons like yourself, who then deserve to be annihilated in their hideout by a Predator drone… Well, in that case, it wasn’t very good satire. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I don’t have any particular love for the police, but despite that—perhaps \*because \*of that—I have no sympathy to spare for idiots who lack the minimal common sense to know you don’t escalate a situation with a cop, and \*especially \*not physically, unless you’re fully prepared for it to end with you hurt or dead. I don’t care if it’s a cop or not, if he did that to a woman I was with, for a similar pathetic reason, I’d be fighting with him. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I’m also tired of the predictable take we get from some posters every time one of these stories comes out. Example: guy throws a Burger King wrapper on the ground, cop tells him to pick it up, guy gets mouthy and in the cop’s face, cop warns him, guy dares the cop to arrest him, cop takes him up on the offer, guy resists arrest and ends up getting tased/bruised/broken in some fashion or other, and sure as shit someone on here will say “what, now people deserve to have their asses kicked by the cops just for _littering_?” Yes,because cops never pick and choose when they are going to stick to the exact letter of the law, do they? If a cop decides to make a point of something just because there is something s/he doesn’t like about a person, they are being an asshole, not an officer of the law. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/138 "2010-06-18T17:22:09Z")
You miss the point, which is understandable because it’s right in front of your face and you’re not particularly bright. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/139 "2010-06-18T17:22:39Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Well, in that case, it wasn’t very good satire. Well I thought it was hilarious. And now, after reading your posts in this thread, I’ve just punched my cat. I hope you’re happy. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557/140 "2010-06-18T17:28:09Z")
> [@alice\_in\_wonderland](#): > > Well I thought it was hilarious. And now, after reading your posts in this thread, I’ve just punched my cat. > > I hope you’re happy. I’d probably punch your cat too, given half a chance. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-stop-someone-from-jaywalking-punch-them-in-the-face/543557.md?page=8)