# How to tell if this is a person's grave **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [November 6, 2022, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-tell-if-this-is-a-persons-grave/974477 "2022-11-06T20:46:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-tell-if-this-is-a-persons-grave/974477/41 "2022-11-11T14:39:12Z")
Well, if you fancy a read, consider: > **[PH1-5161198-v1-Thouron\_-\_Adjudication\_3\_2017-3.pdf](https://www.pennsylvaniafiduciarylitigation.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/580/2017/06/PH1-5161198-v1-Thouron_-_Adjudication_3_2017-3.pdf)** > > 699.01 KB (That’s a \>200 page pdf) Just a cursory search suggests the confusingly named “Tiger” was initially the owner of the Glenroy Farm. Which is perhaps the site we have been discussing (with the spiral of trees). > First, Glenroy Farm, LP (“Glenroy”) was formed to hold Tiger’s home in > Chester County, Pennsylvania. Tiger was assigned the limited partnership interests, while > Thouron Family Real Estate, LLC, of which Tiger and Norris became equal members on > April 22, 2003, was the general partner. Who was “Tiger”? Why, it was Sir John’s son (also named John, but with a different middle name, remember?). Anyway, apparently there was a lot of litigation around the estate, no doubt thanks in part to the various legal schemes engaged and the overall value of it: > This matter comes before the court on Beneficiaries’ Objections to the First and > Final Accounts filed in the Estates of John J. Thouron and his father, Sir John R.H. > Thouron, on March 4, 2013 (the “Initial Accounts”). John J. Thouron was known as > “Tiger” and is so referred to herein. Sir John R.H. Thouron is referred to simply as “Sir > John.” These gentlemen’s beneficiaries are Rachel Vere Nichol and Rupert H. Thouron, > Tiger’s only children. They are referred to as “Rachel” and “Rupert” or together as “the > Beneficiaries.” These two Estates have been consolidated for purposes of this > Adjudication. ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-tell-if-this-is-a-persons-grave/974477/42 "2022-11-11T15:47:34Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Just a cursory search suggests the confusingly named “Tiger” was initially the owner of the Glenroy Farm. Which is perhaps the site we have been discussing (with the spiral of trees). Yes, you nailed it! John J. “Tiger” Thouron owned and lived at Glenroy Farm. Glenroy Farm still exists, by the way, to the east of Glenroy Preserve; the Foundation purchased most of the Farm and renamed it “Glenroy Preserve” but the rest of the farm still looks active. The Preserve has dirt doubletrack all over the place, and many of these unmarked private roads cross what is now the boundary between the Preserve and the Farm. It’s apparent that the division into Preserve and remaining Farm wasn’t designed into the place, it was an afterthought. I actually had found this document some while back, when I had less clear of an idea what all I was looking for, and failed to notice Glenroy was Tiger’s home and property. I guess this makes Tiger a better candidate for occupying the grave. Tiger and Sir John died close enough together in time that I don’t really see the historic aerial photos definitively indicating which death caused what we can see today. ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-tell-if-this-is-a-persons-grave/974477/43 "2022-11-11T15:56:53Z")
Well, it has been fun speculating, but let’s hasten things. I just sent the Preserve a message asking who is buried there, and whether it’s John J. “Tiger” Thouron. ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-tell-if-this-is-a-persons-grave/974477/44 "2022-11-11T17:48:50Z")
CONFIRMED! We caught ourselves a Tiger! ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-tell-if-this-is-a-persons-grave/974477/45 "2022-11-11T18:51:09Z")
With great solemnity and respect, no doubt. ETA: Glad you didn’t drive a metal rod into the spot! ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-tell-if-this-is-a-persons-grave/974477/46 "2022-11-12T20:53:11Z")
I gotta say, this has been a great (detective?) story. Thanks for posting. j ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-tell-if-this-is-a-persons-grave/974477/47 "2022-11-12T21:44:49Z")
I have to extend thanks to you, ASL\_v2.0, both for pointing out some items that turned out to be essential, as well as a most intriguing off-topic side conversation in private messaging. And I, too, am glad I didn’t drive a metal rod into the spot! yet. ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-tell-if-this-is-a-persons-grave/974477/48 "2022-11-13T22:11:42Z")
> [@Napier](#): > > One of their blazed trails follows the middle trail ring. According to a big map posted near the parking lot, this particular trail is named “Tiger Trail”. Noticing that earlier on would have helped. Sadly, the picture I found online has the trail names cropped off the edge. Ah, fate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-tell-if-this-is-a-persons-grave/974477.md?page=2)