# How to think correctly about Israel and Palestine **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 14, 2006, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-think-correctly-about-israel-and-palestine/364429 "2006-07-14T04:08:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2006, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-think-correctly-about-israel-and-palestine/364429/181 "2006-07-18T01:30:27Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] Doesn’t wanting to essentially depopulate a specific ethnic/religous group, non-violently if possible, really make someone a hardcore hater of that ethnic/religous group? It seems like Israel has plenty of hardcore haters supporting them just as the other sides do. [/QUOTE] Yeah, good luck with that attempt at a backflip, Nadia. Improving the economic lot of the Palestinians is worthwhile in itself if it makes them less likely to risk what they have listening to leaders who don’t care one whit about them. And it has the fortunate side-effect of reducing their birthrate, which is left unchecked may make all other problems a lot worse. How you get “hate” out of that is your problem, not mine. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2006, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-think-correctly-about-israel-and-palestine/364429/182 "2006-07-18T01:47:55Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] And it has the fortunate side-effect of reducing their birthrate, which is left unchecked may make all other problems a lot worse. [/QUOTE] See, that’s where **Bull** sees the hate, and so do I. Wanting there to be a smaller Palestinian population **relative to the Israeli population, and because a larger Palestinian population is inconvenient for the Israelis.** Oh, I agree with the goal of making the Palestinians more prosperous and better educated, which helps slow population growth everywhere, and so much the better. But examine your motives carefully. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2006, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-think-correctly-about-israel-and-palestine/364429/183 "2006-07-18T01:58:28Z")
**Red Fury** , the author of the quoted material in your post is not someone that I would consider a reliable source of information. He also asserts that it was physically impossible for the WTC to collapse as they did unless bombs had been rigged to go off shortly after the planes collided with the buildings. He claims in [this artlcle](http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/080206towerscollapse.htm) that 9/11 was a U.S. Government conspiracy. He’s a bit of a flake. As for my own position, I see no basic differences in Israelis and Palestinians. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2006, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-think-correctly-about-israel-and-palestine/364429/184 "2006-07-18T02:18:39Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] But examine your motives carefully. [/QUOTE] Done. I conclude both you and he are projecting. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2006, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-think-correctly-about-israel-and-palestine/364429/185 "2006-07-18T02:45:00Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] Done. I conclude both you and he are projecting. [/QUOTE] Projecting what? I have no particular interest in reducing the **Israeli** population or birthrate! (Prosperity has already **had** its effect there.) ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2006, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-think-correctly-about-israel-and-palestine/364429/186 "2006-07-18T04:28:09Z")
[Quote=Aeschines] Because they are. A pathetic culture of negativity, violence, and primitive religion. [/quote] [QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] like the Israeli Jews [/QUOTE] Neither of these statements are helpful or accurate. If you want to go rant about a people in the most stupid and vitriolic manner, take it to the **Pit** , (or, better yet, off the SDMB). [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2006, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-think-correctly-about-israel-and-palestine/364429/187 "2006-07-18T04:31:56Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] This sort of broad brush attack on other posters does nothing to carry forward the discussion. Back off. **Everyone Else in the thread also needs to stop expressing the disputes as personal offenses.** [/Moderating] [/QUOTE] How about if I narrow it down to the OP? Or is this not the post of a bigot? > [@Aeschines](#): > > And yet you don’t disagree with my characterization of them as “deadenders.” It should go without saying that I do. They are just people. Well…there are some on either side that are certainly hatemongers – like you for instance. > [@](#): > > Because they are. A pathetic culture of negativity, violence, and primitive religion. Is out and out racism now allowed in GD? * * * **Zoe** , thanks for thr heads-up on Paul. I certainly don’t agree with Craig Roberts w/regards to 9/11 Gov conpiracies. OTOH, I do believe he is pretty much on point in this one…including the continued implementation of the Neocon doctrine. I can only imagine how many are foaming at the mouth to have a go at both, Syria and Iran – not that hard to come up with yet another Bushit excuse to implement same. Like they say…watch out what you wish for. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2006, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-think-correctly-about-israel-and-palestine/364429/188 "2006-07-18T04:34:01Z")
**Tom** Never mind my query. I see you’ve already addressed it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-think-correctly-about-israel-and-palestine/364429.md?page=9)